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re: What coaching changes do you expect this year?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:42 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:42 pm to SidewalkTiger
I understand that the call was STUPID! As I initially said, he was trying to be "cute" even though Florida's defense was not very good this season and they weren't even stacking the box. You and apparently Sloan don't understand that there are time to be "creative" and times to just "take the easy way".
As far as crowding the LOS to stop running QBs, I rarely saw that. What they were trying to do is to "contain the QB" which is NOT the right defense on QBs who are very fast and you have suspect tacklers. One reason that everyone criticizes the LSU safeties and call them the weakest unit on the team is they "whiff on tackles" most of the time. The way you increase the efficiency of tackling is to not give the runner space to maneuver...thus crowding the LOS. Once they get past the LOS with Burns, Gilbert, and Sage Ryan, it is all over.
As far as crowding the LOS to stop running QBs, I rarely saw that. What they were trying to do is to "contain the QB" which is NOT the right defense on QBs who are very fast and you have suspect tacklers. One reason that everyone criticizes the LSU safeties and call them the weakest unit on the team is they "whiff on tackles" most of the time. The way you increase the efficiency of tackling is to not give the runner space to maneuver...thus crowding the LOS. Once they get past the LOS with Burns, Gilbert, and Sage Ryan, it is all over.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 12:44 pm
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 2:23 pm to NotaStarGazer
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I understand that the call was STUPID!
That's your opinion, with the benefit of hindsight.
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As I initially said, he was trying to be "cute" even though Florida's defense was not very good this season and they weren't even stacking the box.
You keep regurgitating this while ignoring the fact that LSU had struggled all year to run in short yardage situations, regardless of how good the opposing defense was and regardless of if the box was stacked or not.
It's pretty clear that you will always blame coaching, no matter what.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 3:26 pm to SidewalkTiger
No, it was NOT hindsight. I knew it was a STUPID call real time. When the other team doesn't stack the box on 3rd or 4th and very short, you take what the defense gives you. Only a STUPID OC would try to be cute then.
I keep bringing up the Florida defense poor play and the alignment because LSU played FLORIDA in that game with the small number of defenders they put in the box on that play. That is relevant...your comment about past games and LSU's running game is irrelevant. I blame Sloan in this case. I have praised Bo Davis and Peoples for the amazing improvement in the DL. Everyone was whining about how bad the DL would be...the DL was NOT the problem on defense. The pass rush was good...stopping the run by RBs was good. On offense the RBs were well coached as was the TE position. I also had no problems with the WRers. Thus, apparently I didn't blame any of the position coaches there, huh.
I keep bringing up the Florida defense poor play and the alignment because LSU played FLORIDA in that game with the small number of defenders they put in the box on that play. That is relevant...your comment about past games and LSU's running game is irrelevant. I blame Sloan in this case. I have praised Bo Davis and Peoples for the amazing improvement in the DL. Everyone was whining about how bad the DL would be...the DL was NOT the problem on defense. The pass rush was good...stopping the run by RBs was good. On offense the RBs were well coached as was the TE position. I also had no problems with the WRers. Thus, apparently I didn't blame any of the position coaches there, huh.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 12/11/24 at 3:31 pm to NotaStarGazer
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No, it was NOT hindsight. I knew it was a STUPID call real time. When the other team doesn't stack the box on 3rd or 4th and very short, you take what the defense gives you. Only a STUPID OC would try to be cute then.
I keep bringing up the Florida defense poor play and the alignment because LSU played FLORIDA in that game with the small number of defenders they put in the box on that play. That is relevant...your comment about past games and LSU's running game is irrelevant. I blame Sloan in this case.
It's clear at this point that you will never understand the thought process. Perhaps you can reach out to the staff and tell them it was a stupid call, maybe they can enlighten you.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 3:34 pm to SidewalkTiger
l don't know what Kelly thought of the play call..I doubt he cared for it. BTW, you can reach out to Hester and Dickson who also said it was a horrible play call. Maybe they can "enlighten you"
Posted on 12/11/24 at 3:50 pm to NotaStarGazer
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l don't know what Kelly thought of the play call..I doubt he cared for it. BTW, you can reach out to Hester and Dickson who also said it was a horrible play call. Maybe they can "enlighten you
Joe Burrow said O deserved a lifetime contract. Former players can be wrong just as much as anyone else.
I'm not saying it was a good or bad playcall, I'm just saying I understand it, in that moment. I'm not going to criticize someone based on hindsight. If Green makes his block, no one even cares about that play today.
I'd have rathered to just punt there.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 4:18 pm to SidewalkTiger
As I've said many times, I am NOT criticizing based upon hindsight. I'm basing it on a realtime appaisal where I KNEW the call was STUPID, the alignment of the defense on the play, and the fact that Florida did not have a great defense, which I already documented via their defensive ranking. And it is mathematically STUPID to have a guy run 35 yards horizontally across most of the field to gain one yard vertically down the field. It was a slow developing play obviously and a straight handoff would have worked. I KNOW that because when LSU had similar downs and distances in the future (3rd and 4th downs with short yardage, Sloan learned his lesson apparently)
Posted on 12/11/24 at 5:07 pm to NotaStarGazer
Perhaps they should hire you to call plays since you're apparently smarter than the coaching staff.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 5:33 pm to SidewalkTiger
Apparently, Hester, Dickson, and I were smarter on that call we are talking about. Oh and FYI, I don't know if Sloan is going to be back as OC or not but I assume you have seen the MANY threads here criticizing his stint as OC. Who knows if he will still be at LSU after the bowl game. Pretty obvious to me that the job was too big for him this season. If he is still OC, hopefully he gets better at utilizing screen passes, WRer slants, and implements a wildcat package if Nussmeier still won't run to any extent.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:05 pm to NotaStarGazer
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but I assume you have seen the MANY threads here criticizing his stint as OC.
Eh, I see MANY threads here talking about LSU running an RPO offense with a quarterback that won't run.
The majority of this board doesn't really know much about football and blames any failure on coaching.
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Pretty obvious to me that the job was too big for him this season.
Literally no one can make that judgment if they weren't in meetings and on the headset.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:20 pm to LaTiger045
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Need a new strength and condition coach .
This is not a repost from every non-championship season of the past 20 years
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:31 pm to SidewalkTiger
Pretty easy to see that Sloan wasn't ready to be an OC. Oh, you want another example. Sloan can't even get the plays called in a timely manner. Or do you not remember LSU calling 3 timeouts on offense in one half because the 40 second clock was about to expire...and Nussmeier got the play in too late. Sloan needs to step up not only his playcalling to be competent but get the plays called IN TIME!.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:51 pm to tlsu15
Kelly coached the last two games with a play sheet in his hand. Nuss’s pass attempts were down and we ran the ball better using some new sets.
I hope that continues. Kelly cut his teeth as an offensive guru and if nothing else, it provides a level of oversight on play calling
And I will lose my ever loving mind if we dont address special teams and quality control of pre-snap bullshite
I hope that continues. Kelly cut his teeth as an offensive guru and if nothing else, it provides a level of oversight on play calling
And I will lose my ever loving mind if we dont address special teams and quality control of pre-snap bullshite
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:38 pm to NotaStarGazer
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Pretty easy to see that Sloan wasn't ready to be an OC
I guess we will see if BK gets rid of him then
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:39 pm to SidewalkTiger
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It's true that we had the tendency to run on 2 and long however many of those play were RPO's where Nuss either made a bad read or we actually did have a run look.
I’m not even convinced it was a real tendency.
Here are the numbers on run/pass % (accounting for sacks and scrambles as designed passes) by situation:
- 1st down: 42.8% rush, 57.2% pass
- 2nd down: 39.5% rush, 60.5% pass
- 3rd down: 23.4% rush, 76.6% pass
- 4th down: 23.8% rush, 76.2% pass
Expanding on the 2nd down numbers to account for distance:
- 2nd & goal: 41.7% rush, 58.3% pass
- 2nd & 1-3: 54.8% rush, 45.2% pass
- 2nd & 4-6: 37.0% rush, 63.0% pass
- 2nd & 7+: 37.3% rush, 62.7% pass
I will grant that those are full-season numbers and there might have been specific games where we ran more on 2nd & long, but overall we passed a lot more than we ran on 2nd down and 4+. I looked at our 2nd & 7+ run% in the last 6 games only (which is when this really became a talking point) and it only goes up to 37.8% rush.
It’s not the number of 2nd down runs that people are actually noticing; it’s the lack of production from those runs. If we were able to consistently get 3-5 yards on the ground, nobody would complain about this because they wouldn’t notice it.
None of that is an excuse for the actual problem (inability to execute in the running game) but it does speak to your overall point, I think.
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