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re: What coaching changes do you expect this year?

Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:16 pm to
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:16 pm to
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Nope, that is absolutely wrong for THAT game. If you watched the game, even early on, LSU had the better of the LOS. That is why LSU had twice the first downs, twice the time of possession, more rushing yards, more passing yards, etc. You run the ball straight up the middle. BTW, Hester and Dickson on their show said exactly the same thing. Sooooo nnnnoooo, Sloan was being too CUTE on the play. More proof is on the next 2 or 3 tries on 3rd and short and 4th and short, they made it with a vanilla run. You are simply making EXCUSES for bad playcalling by Sloan.


I stand by what I said above, that's exactly how low IQ fans judge playcalling.

If they run right up the middle with Chester vs Florida's 400 lb defensive tackle and it gets stuffed, everyone here would be crucifying Sloan for not being "creative."
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2735 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 4:18 pm to
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If they run right up the middle with Chester vs Florida's 400 lb defensive tackle and it gets stuffed, everyone here would be crucifying Sloan for not being "creativ


Obviously, you did NOT watch the game because LSU did exactly what I and Hester and Dickson said they should have done and those future runs went just fine. Try again, the runs up the middle WORKED and that is history! Sloan tried to be too cute...if you are a Sloan groupie, I feel sorry for your poor coaching evaluation
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33906 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 4:31 pm to
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Tommy Rees is an awful offensive coordinator and pretty much every Alabama fan wanted him gone. People were pre-melting at the thought of hiring him two years ago.

Sloan, for his faults, is 100% better than Rees.


Not true at all
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33906 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 4:32 pm to
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I too hope one of the best offensive line coaches in America is replaced. That will surely solve our problems.


Very good recruiter. Leaves some to be desired on the coaching front.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
67021 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 4:57 pm to
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Obviously, you did NOT watch the game because LSU did exactly what I and Hester and Dickson said they should have done and those future runs went just fine. Try again, the runs up the middle WORKED and that is history! Sloan tried to be too cute...if you are a Sloan groupie, I feel sorry for your poor coaching evaluation


And if they don't work, you're whining about muh lack of creativity.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2735 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 5:04 pm to
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And if they don't work, you're whining about muh lack of creativity.

Guy, I believe you are just repeating your earlier nonsense. If you are an OC, you have to make common sense judgments during the game. I will now repeat myself. LSU was doing fine on the LOS in the Florida game. For an OC not to view the success along the LOS and instead call a play where the WRer had to run 35 yards to try to get 1 is downright STUPID! Once again, if you watched the game, you would know it was a STUPID call by Sloan. HE even realized it as the next few similar situations he did what he should have done the first time.
Posted by QB
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
7801 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 6:53 pm to
yes, please.
LSU cannot improve without a change there.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
67021 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 9:48 pm to
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Guy, I believe you are just repeating your earlier nonsense. If you are an OC, you have to make common sense judgments during the game. I will now repeat myself. LSU was doing fine on the LOS in the Florida game. For an OC not to view the success along the LOS and instead call a play where the WRer had to run 35 yards to try to get 1 is downright STUPID! Once again, if you watched the game, you would know it was a STUPID call by Sloan. HE even realized it as the next few similar situations he did what he should have done the first time.


Here is how I know you're a low IQ fan:

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 I will now repeat myself. LSU was doing fine on the LOS in the Florida game. For an OC not to view the success along the LOS and instead call a play where the WRer had to run 35 yards to try to get 1 is downright STUPID! 


LSU had 1 rushing yard when that play was called.

Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2735 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 9:53 pm to
I don't know your normal IQ but you know squat about football and obviously can't discriminate between good playcalling and lousy playcalling. The reason LSU had little rushing yards when the play was called is it was on the very first possession and had run 1 time for 1 yard...enough for a 1st down on 4th and 1 Einstein had it occured again. LSU had completed passes of 15, 6, and 2 yards so obviously the OL blocked well enough to allow passing to get it to that 4th and 1. You are showing a fricking lack of football knowledge. BTW, Z Thomas lost 3 yards after literally running 35 yards sideways. God, that Sloan is a genius.
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 9:58 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
67021 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:24 pm to
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I don't know your normal IQ but you know squat about football and obviously can't discriminate between good playcalling and lousy playcalling.


You're right.

I don't know what looks they had, what the actual calls were, and who executed and who didn't, so it's impossible for me or anyone else here to properly evaluate playcalling.

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The reason LSU had little rushing yards when the play was called is it was on the very first possession and had run 1 time for 1 yard...enough for a 1st down on 4th and 1 Einstein had it occured again. 


Exactly.

They ran up the middle and 3rd and 2, if they did that again on 4th and 1 and it fails, people like you are whining about predictable playcalling and a lack of creativity, just like the rest of the season.

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so obviously the OL blocked well enough to allow passing to get it to that 4th and 1.




The OL has been fine in pass protection the majority of the year (outside of some busts right up the middle), not so much in the running game.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2735 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:19 am to
What you nor I have mentioned is that on that 4th and 1, Florida did NOT stack the LOS. Which is very common tactic on the 1st possession of the game when LSU was on about their own 45 yard line. Florida was almost conceding the 1st down but STUPID Sloan had to be "cute" and try a risky play with limited chance of success. LSU had no trouble running the ball against Florida averaging 5 ypc by the RBs. Once again, you know squat about football, and as I've said Hester and Dickson on their podcast couldn't believe that incompetent call.

BTW, we will continue this back and forth forever if you want. You just keep repeating the same nonsense without adding anything new. I will just keep pointing out your football ignorance and the fact that you won't admit Sloan called a STUPID play. Your choice to continue this! Go
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 8:23 am
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:18 am to
I think we bring in Rees to replace Nagle and he probably works with Sloan a little bit.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
67021 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:21 am to
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What you nor I have mentioned is that on that 4th and 1, Florida did NOT stack the LOS. Which is very common tactic on the 1st possession of the game when LSU was on about their own 45 yard line. Florida was almost conceding the 1st down but STUPID Sloan had to be "cute" and try a risky play with limited chance of success. LSU had no trouble running the ball against Florida averaging 5 ypc by the RBs. 

Hindsight is 20/20, at that point in the game they had 1 carry for 1 yard.

As I've said several times, the same people criticizing Sloan for that call would have melted if they run up the middle and don't get it, you don't have to admit it but we all know it's true.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2735 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:00 am to
Another carry for 1 yard would have obtained the first down, so you have no point. And nnnnnoooo, I was talking to my brother on the phone when the play occurred and I in a nicer way said "WTF". It was a STUPID play at the time and will always be a STUPID play in the future against a team not even stacking the line and one that wasn't known for dominating the LOS. You keep making EXCUSES for a hideous play call that made 0 sense. Running 35 yards to try to pick up one yard is INSANE!
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
67021 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:11 am to
I'm not making excuses for the call, I'm just saying I understand it. This team has been stuffed trying to run up the middle and 3rd and 4th and short all year so they tried to get creative and run outside.

And regardless, the play was there, it only failed because Green didn't make his block.

This board complains about a lack of creativity and outside runs but y'all complain when they do it, the coaches can't win with our low IQ fans. Heck, you personally have trashed Blake Baker all year.
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
8045 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:25 am to
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Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2735 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:27 am to
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This team has been stuffed trying to run up the middle and 3rd and 4th and short all year so they tried to get creative and run outside.


Florida was NOT known as a great defensive team...specifically about 50th against the run. Once again, it is INSANE against a mediocre defensive team NOT stacking the LOS to have a WR try to run 35 yards to gain 1. I DO complain about lack of creativity by Sloan BUT you have to judge individual situations. I have complained about NOT running screen passes enough when there are 7 at the LOS. BUT a screen pass would have been STUPID in that situation. A good coach knows when to try to be creative yet also take what the team gives you. Florida was GIVING LSU that first down because it was not critical in the game. Sloan was too clueless to take it.

BTW, I have trashed Blake Baker correctly for not being able to stop running QBs. Milroe, Reed, and others have run throught LSU like tissue paper while other teams have made adjustments to slow them down. And BTW, those teams had no better defensive players than LSU. And LSU did not rank in the top 50 defensively in the country. For the highest paid assistant coach in the country, that is ridiculous. But when you game after game can't stop a QB running down the field, you aren't going to be ranked high are you?
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
67021 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:43 am to
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Florida was NOT known as a great defensive team


The part you keep leaving out is LSU has still struggled to run in those short yardage situations, whether the the defense was good or bad, whether the box was stacked or not. We also have a terrible IOL which just misses blocks for no reason.

It's just hard for me to blame a playcall when the play clearly failed because of a lack of execution. Same goes for the defense. I understand this board is full of armchair coaches though, who blame all failures on playcalling and preparation.


Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2735 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:00 pm to
Blocking is going to be a factor on an end around also. You brought up the missed block on the play yourself. You just blamed the failure on the play on execution which the defenders of coaches always use as an EXCUSE. Nope, the play calling on that 4th and 1 was INSANE against a mediocre defense all season who weren't even stacking the box on the play.

And as I said before, Baker for example doesn't seem to adjust well as DC. He knew about Milroe from last season when House was DC and should have known about Reed, Sellars, etc. How you defend QBs who are poor passers but good runners is you crowd the LOS to cut off his running lanes. Once he gets past the LOS, it is too late at that point. I didn't invent that concept. I have seen other teams this season defend those running QBs that way.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 12:01 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
67021 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:07 pm to
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Blocking is going to be a factor on an end around also. You brought up the missed block on the play yourself. You just blamed the failure on the play on execution which the defenders of coaches always use as an EXCUSE. Nope, the play calling on that 4th and 1 was INSANE against a mediocre defense all season who weren't even stacking the box on the play.


It is what it is, I understand the call. Clearly you don't.

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And as I said before, Baker for example doesn't seem to adjust well as DC. He knew about Milroe from last season when House was DC and should have known about Reed, Sellars, etc. How you defend QBs who are poor passers but good runners is you crowd the LOS to cut off his running lanes. Once he gets past the LOS, it is too late at that point. I didn't invent that concept. I have seen other teams this season defend those running QBs that way.


They did this quite a bit with the safeties, Burns and Gilbert often just whiffed on the tackle.
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