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re: What are your REAL thoughts on the LSU program?

Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:25 am to
Posted by dandan
Member since Nov 2007
5005 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:25 am to
Agree. I don't have faith in Miles. You know he's going to make the same old excuses, be stubborn with player changes, and field sloppy teams.

Once people wake up and quit lying to themselves they will see Miles for what he is. He's a nice guy that is an above average coach but nothing special. You can't expect to be in the top tier of the SEC going forward with a guy like that.

When he accepted that huge salary, he also accepted the expectations that came with it. He is not getting it done.

I just have to hope Michigan takes him away. LSU cannot do anything with him for several more years if he wants to stay.
Posted by lashinala
End of 565
Member since Jan 2006
5753 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:25 am to
Bunch of frickin' girlymen.
STFU and cheer for your team!
Posted by Rockerbraves
Greatest Nation on Earth
Member since Feb 2007
8015 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:26 am to
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Being passionate about something (whatever it is) is something that I think every person needs to find. Don't think for a second that this passion is the same as that for family, friends, etc. I'm talking about a passion for things such as art, or golf, or whatever "hobby" it is that gets us going every so often. My passion is LSU football and for that to be dwindled down a little sucks. I don't expect perfection, but I hope for the pursuit of it.

It has been estimated that about eight million adults have ADHD in the United States
Posted by duboisd
Aransas Pass, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
2514 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:30 am to
I honestly don't know what I think sometimes. On the surface the Saban days were great, but like one of the previous posters said outside of 2003 we were never really dominant, and we had some terrible losses during his tenure. So many of us are so afraid of going back to the Hallman or DiNardo days that we don't seem to be able to enjoy what we do have now. Now I yell at the TV and really get as emotionally involved as anybody, and I hope for us to go undefeated every year. The reality of it is we can't win the championship every year.

We had some great seasons in 03, and 05-07, and winning two national championships just makes you want it more and more. I think most people would agree that we are as talented as any team in the country, and that is the what elevates our unbelievably high expectations. The facts are that Les is 50-13, and gets his team sky high for bowl games. The other side of it is we play ridiculous football sometimes with the silly offside and illegal formation penalties, and clock mismanagement that make you question if the staff has the players ready to play or not. I am very underwhelmed by our offense, and I still wish our defense could get back to stifling instead of bend-but-don't-break, but anything is better than last year. It does seem like we are wasting the talent that we have, but how do we really know that? We listen to the recruiting gurus, and the fact of the matter is maybe they aren't always right.

I guess I rambled on and on to say that I think we are still one of the premier programs in the country. Are we the best? This year we aren't, but I think we are consistently a top 10 team every year. If we can't come to appreciate that I don't think we will ever be satisfied with any coach.
Posted by rosiebean
Member since Nov 2007
2093 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:30 am to
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Agree. I don't have faith in Miles. You know he's going to make the same old excuses, be stubborn with player changes, and field sloppy teams.

Once people wake up and quit lying to themselves they will see Miles for what he is. He's a nice guy that is an above average coach but nothing special. You can't expect to be in the top tier of the SEC going forward with a guy like that.

When he accepted that huge salary, he also accepted the expectations that came with it. He is not getting it done.


Question...how is it that 'an above average coach' can't be in the top tier of the SEC?

Also, if CLM isn't getting it done (two losses to the #1 and #3 teams, not blow outs, top ten ranking, #8 BCS ranking, etc.)...then what is your honest opinion on Pete Carroll? For real, if CLM sucks, what do you honest think about Carroll's job at USC?
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36825 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:31 am to
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I guess I rambled on and on to say that I think we are still one of the premier programs in the country. Are we the best? This year we aren't, but I think we are consistently a top 10 team every year. If we can't come to appreciate that I don't think we will ever be satisfied with any coach.


Very good post,sir.
Posted by rosiebean
Member since Nov 2007
2093 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:31 am to
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I honestly don't know what I think sometimes. On the surface the Saban days were great, but like one of the previous posters said outside of 2003 we were never really dominant, and we had some terrible losses during his tenure. So many of us are so afraid of going back to the Hallman or DiNardo days that we don't seem to be able to enjoy what we do have now. Now I yell at the TV and really get as emotionally involved as anybody, and I hope for us to go undefeated every year. The reality of it is we can't win the championship every year.

I think you've hit the nail on the head.
Posted by tigerclicks
San Antonio, Tx.
Member since Jan 2008
624 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:36 am to
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WNCTiger


quote:

Alabama has supplanted us as the power in the SEC West, as well as a power on the national scale.


Polar Bear-You are the ignorant one now. If you think because Alabama has beat us the last 2 years and now they are a this Super Power, you are delusional. We beat them the previous 5 years and please let me remind you, Saban lost to ULM and Miss State 2 years ago and went to the Independence Bowl. Last year they got there arses handed to them by Utah in the Sugar Bowl right after they lost in the SECCG! Do you see a pattern? Until they can win a respectable Bowl Game and prove they can beat Florida, keep your whoremonger, Saban loving arse out of the Tiger Rant!...

Ok, I feel better now.

Now, what was the question? REAL thoughts on the LSU program?

Don't drink before, during, or after the game and you will enjoy the outcome, regardless of how they played.
Posted by nycajun
Nothin' could be finer.....
Member since Dec 2004
18183 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:36 am to
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And the majority of the fan base is completely out of touch with what it takes to run a successful major program and equates how Miles talks in a press conference to how he runs the program. Who is the moron, the minimum wager bitching about a successful coach making over 3 million dollars per year or the successful coach asking fans not to boo his young student-athelets


Agree completely.

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Agree. I don't have faith in Miles. You know he's going to make the same old excuses, be stubborn with player changes, and field sloppy teams.

Well, I"m not sure you fully took my point. I think the fanbase is more at fault for its "either contend for a National Championship every year or the program is a failure" attitude than anything the coaches and the players are or are not doing.
Posted by PrattLSU
Tolliver with 2 L's kid
Member since Aug 2004
4844 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:36 am to
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So many of us are so afraid of going back to the Hallman or DiNardo days that we don't seem to be able to enjoy what we do have now


Maybe so. Maybe it is the fear of being irrelevant again. I think that has a lot to do with how I view things. I feel like there is a big chance for that to happen and it's sad to see. Am I right? maybe. Am I wrong? maybe. We'll see I guess...
Posted by XbengalTiger
New Bama Standard 9-4
Member since Oct 2003
5572 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:40 am to
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For example, the only thing that kept us in the Bama game was extraordinary effort by a few great players (e.g. Charles Scott, Peterson)...certainly wasn't coaching or game plan, & definitely wasn't the terrific halftime adjustments.


Also, the talent we have is terrible underdeveloped (overall).




So the players took a lead into the 4th quarter against one of the best teams in the nation on their own with no good coaching or game planning.....

1. This might be the bumbest thing ever posted on the rant.
2. If this were true, what would that say about Saban's ability as a coach to be losing in the 4th quarter to a bunch of 18-22 year olds without any coaching.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:41 am to
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If this is how you really feel you need therapy. I'm not kidding.


plus one. i'm not kidding either. LSU is a COLLEGE; not a professional franchise. Les Miles record is one of the best in the country and he is a great steward of the program, of the university and of the young men he is charged with. how people cannot like him personally is beyond me. it's like he's a yankee and that cannot be forgiven. some don't like that, don't like the way he talks and don't like his on camera personality. therefore, all of the team mistakes are his fault, all of the refs calls are his fault, he doesn't raise enough hell on the sideline, etc, etc. yes, we are struggling right now. our offense, because of the recent recruiting rankings should be playing better. is it coaching? were the rankings wrong (about key players anyway)? in my opinion, it is the offensive blocking and the QB play. as a unit, they seem tenative, unsure of themselves and have trouble figuring out what play they are going to run. since i'm not as smart as some of the 18 yr old genius's on this board, i'm not sure the problem. but i do know it needs to be fixed and i do know that our coach knows that too and will make every effort to do so. i, for one, support him in his efforts. these coaches did a hell of a job in '05,'06 and '07. we lost our QB and didn't really have an experienced back up. i think that is the main problem. while it seems everyone else wants to dispose of our coaches, i think our player personnel may be a part of the problem, particularly at QB. high school ratings do not automatically translate to college esp since they do not and can not rate intangibles (leadership ability, heart, etc). if we were scoring the same amt of points as we did last year, we would be awesome. because it's the first year of real struggling on offense (lee actually would have been good w/o the ints), i'm not ready to hang crowton yet. so, my REAL thoughts are we are a disappointed fan base (bet the coaches and players are too) with a segment that is demanding and whining for an immediate house cleaning. that, with coach miles buyout contract provisions, is not feasible. i also REALLY think its not desirable.
Posted by duboisd
Aransas Pass, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
2514 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:42 am to
Pratt I wasn't meaning that as a shot at you at all. I don't want us to go back to where we were either, and I don't think you are wrong to be concerned, it just seems like we as a fan base don't allow ourselves to enjoy what we have. Trust me watching Bama roll through back-to-back undefeated regular seasons isn't my idea of fun, but they haven't won any more championships than we have in that span.
Posted by nycajun
Nothin' could be finer.....
Member since Dec 2004
18183 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:44 am to
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So many of us are so afraid of going back to the Hallman or DiNardo days that we don't seem to be able to enjoy what we do have now


Maybe so. Maybe it is the fear of being irrelevant again. I think that has a lot to do with how I view things.


It is the tendency of people these days to view history, progress, and performance with a mindset that only takes into account the last 15 minutes (figuratively speaking). It's the media sound bite, what's on ESPN today, too impatient to look at the longer view, attitude that is doing far more damage to American society in general than it is doing to the culture of the LSU football program, which is substantial.
Posted by TigerPanzer
Orlando
Member since Sep 2006
9476 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:44 am to
I think we'll be fine through the end of this season and the 2010 season. 9-3 finish this season with a good chance at picking up a 10th win in our bowl game. Then in 2010 we have:
• JJ, Shep, Ridley, Toliver, Randle, D. Peterson, Garrett, Allen, Calhoun, Jasper, Blackwell, Downs, Barksdale, Hebert and other on offense
• Baker, Sheppard, Nevis, P. Peterson, Loston, Mingo, Minter, Montgomery, Agahayere and others on defense
Um ... I think we'll survive with this group on hand.

Posted by PrattLSU
Tolliver with 2 L's kid
Member since Aug 2004
4844 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:45 am to
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Pratt I wasn't meaning that as a shot at you at all.


No I was agreeing with you...it's a valid point to why some of us feel slighted by the job Les is currently doing.
Posted by PrattLSU
Tolliver with 2 L's kid
Member since Aug 2004
4844 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:46 am to
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I think we'll be fine through the end of this season and the 2010 season. 9-3 finish this season with a good chance at picking up a 10th win in our bowl game. Then in 2010 we have:
• JJ, Shep, Ridley, Toliver, Randle, D. Peterson, Garrett, Allen, Calhoun, Jasper, Blackwell, Downs, Barksdale, Hebert and other on offense
• Baker, Sheppard, Nevis, P. Peterson, Loston, Mingo, Minter, Montgomery, Agahayere and others on defense
Um ... I think we'll survive with this group on hand.


But we have been using this excuse every year. We have always has supreme talent...doesn't mean shite if it's not realized.
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10437 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:47 am to
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What are your REAL thoughts on the LSU program?


I don't mind losing to great teams, but I feel like LSU has risen to 'great' status in this decade. We should be feared. Sometimes we are. Sometimes we aren't.

Honestly, I get Gator-envy. I want to be feared like they are. I want that swagger year-in and year-out. We've had it at times under both Miles and Saban. That's what I want.

quote:

That man has taken something from me and I will never forgive him for it.


Seriously? That seems a little dramatic. Do you want Little Nicky and his patronizing talks or tirades against the press and fans? I like Miles and want him to be our coach, but I'd like to see the pre-2008 Miles again. I'd like to see him more open and comfortable in front of the press too, but I can deal with that as long as the team is bringing it on the field.
Posted by PrattLSU
Tolliver with 2 L's kid
Member since Aug 2004
4844 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:50 am to
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LSU GrandDad


good post. I just think you may be one of those that is not seeing the forest for the trees. I personally see that things are not improving and will continue not to. Do I hope I'm wrong about Les? Of course...but outside of the NC season (which was lucky), I think we have underachieved. Eventually we are all going to have to come to grips with this. We can't blame it on the lack of "potential" talent that's for sure.
This post was edited on 11/17/09 at 10:52 am
Posted by Bad Cat
Painted Post, NY
Member since Jan 2004
12091 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:51 am to
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We only have 2 losses to highly ranked teams, but it's not about that for me. It's how they look every week, how Les acts on the sidelins, in press conferences, on his coaching show, etc.


LSU's fanbase is infested with creepy-crawlers.

quote:

I personally see that things are not improving and will continue not to.


Even with the three great recruiting classes that have barely hit the playing field, this idiot sees only doom and gloom.

This post was edited on 11/17/09 at 10:57 am
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