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re: Way Too Early 2019 LSU Baseball Lineup
Posted on 5/7/18 at 2:19 pm to Penrod
Posted on 5/7/18 at 2:19 pm to Penrod
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Caleb Gilbert has a very high ceiling. He has great stuff - when it’s on.
Please elaborate. He has good enough stuff to be an effective college pitcher, but he does not have a high ceiling for being much more than that IMO. His fastball has hovered around 90 mph, topping out at around 92, and he doesn't have a devastating breaking ball like Lange, Nola, Hilliard, Hess etc. When he's on and hitting his spots, sure he's very valuable for this team
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Posted on 5/7/18 at 2:21 pm to LSURussian
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What round?
Teams are drafting players more times than not "tentatively agreeing to sign" on the phone now a days. If he goes rounds 1-10 then a team feels like they have a very good chance and meeting his price.
He's a round 2-3 player from everything I've seen and read up on, although much like Hess he absolutely could benefit from another year in college.
The gray area with the MLB draft is players don't always go where they should because teams feel they're not very "signable". Pitchers take a longer time to develop and that's what I feel Hess can make a bigger jump from his sophomore to junior season by staying in college. But at the same time if Watson continues to put on weight and is able to show more power he absolutely could become a first rounder in 2019.
The biggest advantage LSU has right now in keeping both is they're each sophomore's with (two years of potential negotiations) and both figure to keep on progressing and developing in a linear fashion.
Edit: I don't predict both to stay but they're is a path that both could conceivably return.
This post was edited on 5/7/18 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 5/7/18 at 2:22 pm to LSURussian
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But you did say he is a "five tool player." Isn't throwing ability one of the five tools? His throwing ability is average, IMO.
I think he has an above average arm. Even among 5 tool players, they are going to have one tool that isn't elite. I mean outside freaks like Mike Trout, who do you feel is elite in all 5 tools?
Posted on 5/7/18 at 2:24 pm to Adam4848
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The biggest advantage LSU has right now in keeping both is they're each sophomore's with (two years of potential negotiations) and both figure to keep on progressing and developing in a linear fashion.
exactly. And minor league baseball is thankless. Both of these guys need work, while "toolsy", neither are cant miss or fast track guys. they might as well stay at LSU and leave after Jr year.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 2:26 pm to lsufball19
quote:Nah, his arm was better than average.
Andrew Stevenson has a pretty weak arm in the OF
quote:LINK
Stevenson attracted media attention with an outstanding defensive play in center field. Playing behind starting pitcher Jared Poche, Stevenson leaped toward the warning track and laid out to take away a likely RBI extra-base hit from the University of North Carolina Wilmington's designated hitter. He then scrambled to his feet and threw from deep center field to the second baseman, doubling up the runner on base.
And Stephenson had a higher batting average his last year at LSU than Watson does now and he stole 26 bases, more than double what Watson has now.
Comparing Stephenson after his junior season to Watson in his sophomore season makes my point: if Watson stays another year and works to improve on those skills, he could greatly improve his draft status and still have leverage as a junior, IMO.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 2:29 pm to LSURussian
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Comparing Stephenson after his junior season to Watson in his sophomore season makes my point: if Watson stays another year and works to improve on those skills, he could greatly improve his draft status and still have leverage as a junior, IMO.
I feel like he is in a similar position as Deichmann was. He could go in the teens this year or refine his skills further and be a top 5 round pick.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 2:29 pm to Lester Earl
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exactly. And minor league baseball is thankless. Both of these guys need work, while "toolsy", neither are cant miss or fast track guys. they might as well stay at LSU and leave after Jr year.
Mainieri is a great recruiter and players trust both him and Dunn to give them the best advice post draft. He's a candid guy that will tell them to take the bonus if he doesn't think they can improve upon it. If Mainieri/Dunn feel like they can sell a player on another year in college which is the equivalent to a AA farm system and the college lifestyle all while improving their stock it's hard not to take that advice as well.
This post was edited on 5/7/18 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 5/7/18 at 2:37 pm to lsufball19
quote:As a college player?
I mean outside freaks like Mike Trout, who do you feel is elite in all 5 tools?
Todd Walker, Alex Bregman, Mikie Mahtook and Andrew Benintendi all come immediately to mind.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 2:41 pm to LSURussian
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Stevenson attracted media attention with an outstanding defensive play in center field. Playing behind starting pitcher Jared Poche, Stevenson leaped toward the warning track and laid out to take away a likely RBI extra-base hit from the University of North Carolina Wilmington's designated hitter. He then scrambled to his feet and threw from deep center field to the second baseman, doubling up the runner on base.
LINK
I know exactly what play you're talking about, and that wikipedia article is incorrect. Below you'll see a link to the video and a link to the boxscore that verifies. Stevenson made a diving catch, threw off balance to the cutoff man, who then threw the ball to first to double off the runner. It was an unbelievable catch, but the runner had already rounded 2nd base, which is why he was doubled off. The wiki article makes it sound like Stevenson threw a rope from the warning track to second base to double off the runner at second base. That's not what happened.
Video
Box Score
Here is Stevenson's scotuing report
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Stevenson was Washington’s top pick in 2015, 58th overall, based on an impressive package of tools including plus or better speed, outstanding defense in center field and natural barrel skills. In the field Stevenson utilizes his excellent quickness and speed to flash outstanding defensive range. His arm strength is mediocre, but he profiles as an above-average defender in center field and a plus in left field. Offensively Stevenson understands his role as a table-setter, working counts, getting on-base and utilizing his speed to disrupt the opposition. Stevenson is a high-floor, medium ceiling outfield prospect with the potential for three average or better tools and has a ceiling as a 2nd division starter, with his likely outcome being a valuable reserve.
This post was edited on 5/7/18 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 5/7/18 at 2:44 pm to SM6
Feduccia, after recovering from a broken bone in his catching hand, broke a bone in his throwing hand that he’s been playing through for weeks.
He will be fine next year and will be better and better as it heals.
He will be fine next year and will be better and better as it heals.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 2:48 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
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Throw in the fact that he’s 5-for-5 on stolen base attempts and ranks among the rangiest outfielders in the SEC and you have the closest thing LSU has had to a true five-tool outfielder in years. There’s a reason Watson entered the season as Baseball America’s No. 23-ranked MLB Draft prospect in college baseball. And why he was named to preseason All-America teams by D1 Baseball, Perfect Game and Collegiate Baseball Newspaper.
I don't know why you're acting like I'm pulling this out of my arse. If you don't personally think he is, fine, you are entitled to your opinion. I also think it's weird this has turned to a "let's diminish Zach Watson" thread. He has a top 10 BA in the SEC, top 10 in doubles, the highest OPS on the team, just outside the top 10 in stolen bases in the SEC, and is an elite defensive player (also note that the volume stats are with him missing 9 games). Sure he has areas he needs to improve upon, but he is an outstanding overall player.
This post was edited on 5/7/18 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 5/7/18 at 3:04 pm to lsufball19
quote:Calm down, Nancy. Don't take it so personally when someone disagrees with you.
I don't know why you're acting like I'm pulling this out of my arse.
I've had grandstand season tickets for a couple of decades and I attend almost every home game. I watched Stephenson play for 3 years and I've watched Watson play for almost 2 seasons.
Andrew Stephenson was a much better all-around college baseball player than Watson is at this point in his career, IMO.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 3:12 pm to LSURussian
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Calm down, Nancy. Don't take it so personally when someone disagrees with you.
I'm not taking it personally
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I've had grandstand season tickets for a couple of decades and I attend almost every home game. I watched Stephenson play for 3 years and I've watched Watson play for almost 2 seasons.
I don't live in Baton Rouge but can comfortably say I have watched 95% of every game we've played since way back when I had to stream our games on lsusports.net 10+ years ago. I've been going to games I can since the 80s, been to Omaha three times, the SECT countless times, etc. My grandfather has had grandstand seats since 1988. Your view from your seat in the stadium isn't any better than mine. Don't be that guy
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Andrew Stephenson was a much better all-around college baseball player than Watson is at this point in his career, IMO.
As a sophomore? I disagree.
As sophomores (in 39 games for Watson and 61 for Stevenson)...
Zach Watson
.340 BA, 5 HR, 13 2B, 2 3B, 25 RBI, .956 OPS, 10/14 SB
Andrew Stevenson
.335 BA, 0 HR, 7 2B, 5 3B, 32 RBI, .812 OPS, 9/14 SB
I think their defensive play is a push at this point in their careers
This post was edited on 5/7/18 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 5/7/18 at 3:15 pm to lsufball19
Okay.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:40 pm to LSURussian
Only thing ill disagree with is that his arm is average, id say its slightly above average and a little bit better than stevensons. Obviously fletcher is way ahead of both. With that said, i feel like 5 tool is thrown around alot and im not sure he is that. Mahtook was definitely that. Watsons arm and glove are not elite in my opinion. His jumps on balls are pretty good, but i think where he lacks is he hardly ever dives for balls he could. Stevenson was much better at that. Also as Russian said, he is not a grear baserunner or stealer. Duplantis is probably the best base stealer and runner on this team. Im hoping somehow he comes back for his senior year selfishly. I still love watson as a player, just think he is slightly overrated.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:40 pm to LSURussian
I'd take Mike Papajohn over both.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:46 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
Papajohn is a special kind of crazy
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:51 pm to LSURussian
Looking at those numbers how can you say Stevenson was “much” better 
Posted on 5/7/18 at 5:06 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
hmmmm, no
watson
duplantis
Smith
Cabrera
feduccia
broussard
brJordan
Hughes
slaughter
unless we get some hitters somewhere and a couple sit bench....
Hess
Hilliard
walker
Fontenot
labas
beck
Peterson
Gilbert
watson
duplantis
Smith
Cabrera
feduccia
broussard
brJordan
Hughes
slaughter
unless we get some hitters somewhere and a couple sit bench....
Hess
Hilliard
walker
Fontenot
labas
beck
Peterson
Gilbert
This post was edited on 5/7/18 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 5/7/18 at 5:31 pm to Thacian
There has been no mention of Gavin Dugas from Houma Christian. Where is he projected to contribute?
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