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Watched the replay - dang the offense is dysfunctional

Posted on 11/11/09 at 10:44 pm
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 10:44 pm
On the replay it was really noticeable and really discouraging how dysfunctional the offense was throughout the game. They had some great plays but just kept shooting themselves in the foot with poor organization.

Illegal procedures, too many men on the field, people out of position, having to call time outs left and right.

How can we get to this point in a season and to this many years under an offensive scheme and still have this kind of stuff keep happening?

Jeeze. I've always been a defender of the current regime. But it's just not fair to the players to not have better organization than this in such a big game.
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/11/09 at 10:46 pm to
crowton
Posted by Abdullah the Butcher
Member since Feb 2009
409 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 10:46 pm to
Crowton is god awful, more so than most people realize.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15681 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 11:01 pm to
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Crowton is god awful, more so than most people realize.

I agree. He has gotten progressively worse every year....which is what the Oregon fans who posted on here told us would happen. It's time for him to go. I'm sick of him seemingly finding new ways each week to mismange LSU's wealth of talent on offense.
Posted by mstiger
mis'ipi
Member since Nov 2003
1345 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 11:03 pm to
It is definitely a coaching issue, i.e. lack of discipline...

Is it worth firing everybody over? Definitely not.

We are 7-2 and have an extremely good chance of finishing 10-2.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15681 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 11:05 pm to
quote:

Is it worth firing everybody over? Definitely not.

It's too far into the season for this crap to still be happening....and it's a yearly thing. So what's the answer?

quote:

We are 7-2 and have an extremely good chance of finishing 10-2.

Is the offense extremely good though?
Posted by ATR
Utopos
Member since Feb 2008
916 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:54 am to
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it's a yearly thing.


2007?

I'd suggest, in large part, its a quarterback thing. Inexperience at that position-- and this year an especially weak line-- is significant.

A mature Flynn running the 2007 offense was potent.

Let's see what it looks like next year when JJ is a little more experienced.
This post was edited on 11/12/09 at 5:28 pm
Posted by los angeles tiger
1,601 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2003
55976 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 5:16 am to
That is the basics of football not be coached & drilled into them. This has been happening the last 3 years and has gotten progressively worse. It is affecting the outcome of games.
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 5:17 am to
To me it looked like they were trying to get too cute or too fancy - waiting to see what personell the Bama D came out with before sending in players/plays. It caused major problems with the play clock.

Now, some of the problems were definitely on the players - receivers slipping, QB's not knowing exactly where the first down marker was, RB's and receivers dropping passes in their hands.

And some of the O line "flinching" stuff looked rather nitpicky by the officials.

But sometimes it just looked like chaos out there.
Posted by Ethan Martin
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2006
1749 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 6:01 am to
The offense lacks discipline
Posted by Africom
Stuttgart, Germany
Member since Mar 2008
1641 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 6:11 am to
I agree, watch too. 8 games into the year and we can't even get the right call. And the int should not have even been an issue, hitting the punter in the game was stupid. That player should never have even been on the field. And don't give me that Crowton. This is two years in a row that Miles has only peformed half his job. He did not field a defense last year and now he cannot field an offense. As broke as the university is, he should definitely return half of his salary for this year and last year.
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17773 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 6:18 am to
I agree, Crowton needs to go. I think he tries to do too much offensively and players get confused on where they have to line up. This has been a rather consistent problem since Crowton has been here. I do not recall these types of problems under Fisher.

Not to mention, we are still ranked LAST in the SEC. Which is pitiful
Posted by Chicot
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Aug 2007
1279 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 6:28 am to
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As broke as the university is, he should definitely return half of his salary for this year and last year.


How can he "return" the money to the university when it didn't come from the university in the first place...His salary comes from multiple sources....Some from the LSU Athletic Department (separate financial entity from the university), some from LSU Radio Network, some from TAF, and some from Nike...just to name a few.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
83689 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 6:28 am to
quote:

really noticeable and really discouraging how dysfunctional the offense was throughout the game. They had some great plays but just kept shooting themselves in the foot with poor organization.

Illegal procedures, too many men on the field, people out of position, having to call time outs left and right.



bullshite.... The loss was due to the refs
Posted by tiger88
Member since Jan 2006
1041 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 7:47 am to
quote:

That is the basics of football not be coached & drilled into them. This has been happening the last 3 years and has gotten progressively worse. It is affecting the outcome of games.


Bingo. I've noticed the same thing. To borrow a metaphor from construction: the foundation has not been poured, set, or cured correctly -- so the whole house is shakey.

The coaches need to go over some fundamentals with all of the players.

It's obvious.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
64565 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 8:34 am to
quote:

To me it looked like they were trying to get too cute or too fancy - waiting to see what personell the Bama D came out with before sending in players/plays. It caused major problems with the play clock.


You answered your own question.

Crowton tries to be too fancy, too cute, and tries to outsmart the defense instead of just letting your playmakers do their thing. Hannagrif said last night that whenever LSU just calls a play quickly, goes to the line of scrimmage and just runs a play, we generally have success.

Remember our last timeout, the 3rd and 2 when it looked like Saban called a timeout. CBS showed Saban fussing at the officials. What was he fussing about, it was about LSU's late substitution that is designed to catch the defense offguard. How'd that tricky move pan out? We had to call our own last timeout because the playclock was running out, or we were confused. We tricked ourselves into burning a timeout, and on top of that we tried to ram a 3rd and 2 iso play right into Bama's strength, their d-line and linebackers.

It is mind boggling that this offense ranks dead last in the SEC and ranks in the 100's nationally. That is a serious misuse of talent.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 8:40 am to
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Let's see what it looks like next year when JJ is a little more experienced.


i agree. i think the confusion is mostly that.
some people are ready to fire or bench at the drop of the hat. i think crowton has earned a little patience from the fans. knee jerk reactions are a poor way to run a football team or any organization for that matter.
Posted by tigercavor
Member since Sep 2006
1816 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 8:48 am to
It seems like most of our problems stem from one thing:
Substitutions. Just run a whole series of plays with the same personnel and then substitute out packages on third down, or when people get winded.

I know that OCs like to mix packages to see how defenses will respond so that late in the game they have an idea what to expect, but one way or another we can't seem to get the play and players on the field in a timely manner.
Posted by Craig Ferguson
Member since Oct 2009
1568 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 8:49 am to
LSU had severe offensive penalty problems all throughout 2007. If you remember, an illegal formation penalty cost LSU the Arkansas game by calling back Hester's long TD reception. There were many others late into 2007, but that's the one that stands out. So it's not just QB inexperience causing problems, it must be coaching not preparing or fully teaching the players since it's a yearly problem.
Posted by LSUownsSEC
OutOfTheArea
Member since May 2008
3178 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 8:56 am to
crowton, is putting too much on the players plates. if this offense with so many weapons was simplified, maybe these great athletes playing for LSU would do a much better job. if he can't simplify with diversity, by using all of these weapons (great talent) available to him, he is in way over his head.
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