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re: Video Inside Shady's Before Fight on Ch. 8 (w/Links)UPDATED
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:57 pm to bree
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:57 pm to bree
quote:Well, it defies logic to believe that Lowery and Long are connected and Lowery and the three are connected because Long reported to the police that one of the three threatened to pull a gun - kinda out of left field and not particularly a positive thing to say about him.
All of this and Lowery was a good samaritan to an unknown person he saw being pulled from a truck. The morning of the incident he did not know the person but several hours later he hires an attorney with the unknown person.
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Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:57 pm to USMCTiger03
quote:I agree that's equally likely if the attorney said something like "one of my clients" or otherwise didn't identify who he's talking about by name. I was under the impression that he was talking about Lowery, specifically, since that's really the only beatee whose story has been discussed at all, by anyone, at any point during this ordeal.
I think it's most likely that the attorney was referring to the other 2 or 3 guys, not Lowery.
I've gotta say I'm a little surprised the beatees don't each have separate attorneys.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:57 pm to Cold Cous Cous
quote:
b is not impossible, although it would be a brave attorney to risk possible disbarment for such a brazen lie.
I'm fairly certain an attorney wouldn't face disbarment for making a false statement to the media.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:58 pm to denvertiger
quote:
I'm also pretty pissed that a few of the "victims"have been caught in a couple of lies themselves.
quote:
So Lowery says he runs out to rescue some guys who have been pulled out of a truck. Jordon Neldare says Lowery got kicked out of the bar (on the tape) and then took a swing at someone.
I kinda like my odds better than yours (if I understand your convoluted post).
Lowery never said he ran out of the bar to rescue anyone. He said he helped a guy that had been jumped by 10-15 people get into his truck.
Keep trying though. You've only have to say it 999,998 more times.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:58 pm to Elcid96
So first guy in black was JJ and now this dude is supposed to be JJ? Looks like dude had on a plain white shirt with black shorts.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:59 pm to Godfather1
quote:
If JJ wasn't the kicker, then somebody on the team (aside from the "real" kicker) is bound to know that. Why wouldn't they come forward if they know their QB is taking the fall for someone else?
now i am confussed again. If JJ didn't do it, and he knows who did (plus many other players), do any of you really think jj would go along with this? Really? The dude has a ego bigger then tiger stadium.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:00 pm to USMCTiger03
quote:
I think it's most likely that the attorney was referring to the other 2 or 3 guys, not Lowery.
That's a very generous interpretation. That's possible, but that seems like an odd way of reading the quote.
The other problem with the police report, which isn't as severe is that Lowery's statements refer to an "unknown W/M". And now it turns out that they know each other? Why couldn't he identify the unknown W/M who was yelling? It's not like picking out a stranger. Now, I think you can work around this statement just from nerves or whatever, but it's not that helpful if Lowery already has credibility problems.
I'm going to dismiss the other suggestions that the lawyer was lying on his own, just making up a story, as too ridiculous to argue. USMC's argument is at least within the realm of possible.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:01 pm to dreaux
This is all very interesting. I agree that this is a cluster! And, Andrew Lowrey appears to be a total schmuck!
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:01 pm to BillyBobfan24_7
quote:
So first guy in black was JJ and now this dude is supposed to be JJ? Looks like dude had on a plain white shirt with black shorts.
And now the story is that it isn't even Lowery on the ground.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:01 pm to rosiebean
quote:It's crazy. Almost like a crim law class showing even when evidence comes out, it can still be subject to differing viewpoints.
thanks for at least saying my points are valid (unlike some, on both sides, who will change arguments/tactics in a blink, because they alaways. must. be. right.)
I agree, my points have equal counterpoints.
Which just goes to show that this whole mess is a cluster frick of massive proportions.
I don't know. I like JJ and would like to give Lowery the benefit of the doubt although the restraining order thing looks bad.
The most annoying thing to me is people insisting on stating non-fact as fact over and over again. At this point, the true "facts" are very few.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:02 pm to dreaux
quote:
now i am confussed again. If JJ didn't do it, and he knows who did (plus many other players), do any of you really think jj would go along with this?
No, personally I don't.
But there are apparently some on this site who do. My hypothetical was for their benefit.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:02 pm to crimsonsaint
quote:
Lowery never said he ran out of the bar to rescue anyone.
yeah, according to him and his lawyer he wasn't even in the bar.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:02 pm to Godfather1
Yeah, disbarment is too harsh. But censure or probation?
LRPC 3.6:
4.1:
Keep in mind I'm not suggesting anyone actually violated either of these rules. But they are there, and any attorney would be aware of them and think twice before making a knowingly false statement to the media.
LRPC 3.6:
quote:
A lawyer who is participating or has participated in the investigation or litigation of a matter shall not make an extrajudicial statement that the lawyer knows or reasonably should know will be disseminated by means of public communication and will have a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing an adjudicative proceeding in the matter.
4.1:
quote:
In the course of representing a client a lawyer shall not knowingly:
(a) make a false statement of material fact or law to a third person; or
(b) fail to disclose a material fact when disclosure is necessary to avoid assisting a criminal or fraudulent act by a client, unless disclosure is prohibited by Rule 1.6
Keep in mind I'm not suggesting anyone actually violated either of these rules. But they are there, and any attorney would be aware of them and think twice before making a knowingly false statement to the media.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:03 pm to dreaux
quote:
you sure about that cap?
Fisher offered it to them and they said no thanks, they had a copy already. You can go find the original link.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:04 pm to Mayhawman
After looking at all the videos multiple times I have come to the following:
1) the person doing the most violent kicking was a black male in all black. It appears from the footage inside the bar that this was not JJ
2) there was a black male in a white shirt who may or may not have kicked lowery but in the video his actions were blocked by a white female( presumably long)
3) if you pay close attention there Is a white guy in a white shirt who runs in from behind a may have got a kick in.
1) the person doing the most violent kicking was a black male in all black. It appears from the footage inside the bar that this was not JJ
2) there was a black male in a white shirt who may or may not have kicked lowery but in the video his actions were blocked by a white female( presumably long)
3) if you pay close attention there Is a white guy in a white shirt who runs in from behind a may have got a kick in.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:04 pm to BillyBobfan24_7
Here he is in the act of kicking, whoever that is.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:04 pm to BillyBobfan24_7
Awesome. A 26 page thread talking about a suspended player that was deemed by many to be the weakest link on a potential NC team, who at best, was engaged in something the player anointed by his head coach as the team leader shouldn't have been, and a couple of threads talking about ESPN's reporting screwups du jour. Meanwhile one has to look pretty hard to find a meaningful thread discussing the Top 5 matchup that will be approaching halftime 4 days from now. We obviously have more lawyer wannabes than we have actual football fans. 
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:04 pm to USMCTiger03
I've been consistently reserving judgment. We don't know what happened. Just because I think Lowery has credibility issues doesn't mean everything he has said is untrue. And even if we assume Lowery is a complete liar, it still doesn't mean Jefferson is innocent of kicking him in the head.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:04 pm to L S Usetheforce
I think the real victim here is the public being held hostage by some retarded guy with a crappy Motorola flip phone. It's 2011. Get something decent.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:05 pm to ZTiger87
So now lowery wasn't on the ground, yet JJs involvement as per ALs lawyer and chick witness have JJ attacking AL and kicking AL while he was on the ground?
That right?
That right?
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