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re: Updated: ESPN reports TM7 wants to stay; nola.com says not so fast
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:40 am to LSUfan4444
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:40 am to LSUfan4444
Hindsight is 20-20, but IMO LSU should have never called a press conference Friday to "announce" anything......IMO they should have handled all of this behind closed doors from the start.
I have no doubt LSU has given TM all the opportunities and chances and support that someone could reasonably expect, but in a way they kind of backed themself into a PR corner on Friday with the press conference.....and the "permanently ineligible" stuff made it even worse.
I just don't understand why the press conference was even necessary considering the context and that Miles/LSU can't go into the details of the issue/problem anyway.
I have no doubt LSU has given TM all the opportunities and chances and support that someone could reasonably expect, but in a way they kind of backed themself into a PR corner on Friday with the press conference.....and the "permanently ineligible" stuff made it even worse.
I just don't understand why the press conference was even necessary considering the context and that Miles/LSU can't go into the details of the issue/problem anyway.
This post was edited on 8/14/12 at 10:44 am
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Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:41 am to ezride25
yea I dont think it would make LSU look all that bad. I dont think any statements should come public though until tm7 says he wants to be back at LSU and the school agrees and lays the terms out. Once tm7 agrees to the terms then maybe have a press conference outlining what he needs to do to return and showing that LSU will support its athletes in times of need and that its not just concerned with your on the field production.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:45 am to heartbreakTiger
plain and simple, if mathieu comes back fully and completely rehabilitated, then miles will look like a saint. he will look like a damn god to some.
if it backfires, then it really backfires on him.
if it backfires, then it really backfires on him.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:45 am to JPLSU1981
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Hindsight is 20-20, but IMO LSU should have never called a press conference Friday to "announce" anything......IMO they should have handled all of this behind closed doors from the start.
Maybe, but can you imagine the storm they would have created at the scrimmage on Saturday when TM was nowhere to be found?
Also, there were rumors swirling (apparantley true) that TM was contacting other schools about the possibility of transferring. I think the mistake LSU made was trying to conceal so much info. Just come out and be straight forward.
They said it was a school issue, they said it was an NCAA issue, they said he couldn't come back...etc
Just come out and say what happened. The more honest you are, the less stupid you look as the story develops.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:51 am to heartbreakTiger
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Once tm7 agrees to the terms then maybe have a press conference outlining what he needs to do to return and showing that LSU will support its athletes in times of need and that its not just concerned with your on the field production.
See, I think the other way. If TM wants to call a press conference, let him. If I am LSU, I am done with this in the eyes of the public.
If I am Miles, I will answer questions about my team and my players. I cannot comment on the status of people not on my team.
At some point, this has to be nipped in the bud and no matter what TM will not be part of the team in 2012. The longer LSU allows him to be part of the team (in spirit or attention) the more they will suffer from it.
Until decision time on next year's team, I would prefer not to hear anything from LSU on the status of TM. I know the public wants to know, but LSU gains nothing by speaking about his eligibility down the road. If anything, they lose leverage by tipping their hand.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:53 am to JPLSU1981
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Hindsight is 20-20, but IMO LSU should have never called a press conference Friday to "announce" anything......IMO they should have handled all of this behind closed doors from the start.
I have no doubt LSU has given TM all the opportunities and chances and support that someone could reasonably expect, but in a way they kind of backed themself into a PR corner on Friday with the press conference.....and the "permanently ineligible" stuff made it even worse.
I just don't understand why the press conference was even necessary considering the context and that Miles/LSU can't go into the details of the issue/problem anyway.
LSU had to do something with the Grid Ironers at the Saturday scrimmage and Fan Day. They had to get out in front of all of this.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 10:57 am to LSUfan4444
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Just come out and say what happened.
That's part of my point...Unfortunately, it's legally impossible for LSU to come out and say what happened. It's just the nature of the situation that the issue/problem can't be discussed in public anyway, so it leads to a feeling of "WTF is going on?" by the fans/media.
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See, I think the other way. If TM wants to call a press conference, let him. If I am LSU, I am done with this in the eyes of the public.
If I am Miles, I will answer questions about my team and my players. I cannot comment on the status of people not on my team.
I agree with this. I doubt you'll hear anything from LSU from this point forward....If TM doesn't transfer, you'll have your answer....they've layed out a plan behind closed doors that can get him back on the team down the road if he follows the plan. If he doesn't follow the plan or screws up again, LSU doesn't look bad because publicly/officially they never took him back to begin with. If he does follow the plan and gets clean, then they can have a feel-good press conference next spring/summer announcing his return to the team.
This post was edited on 8/14/12 at 11:02 am
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:01 am to The Egg
the reward outweighs the risk. the good pub he would get would be around alot longer than any bad pub from tm7 failing. the bad pub would be worse if he fell of the wagon during the season but I think it would go away.
Now if les and LSU were to help him then the goodwill goes on for the rest of les miles career.
Now if les and LSU were to help him then the goodwill goes on for the rest of les miles career.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:02 am to heartbreakTiger
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Herb Vincent ?@LSUherbvin To clarify: Tyrann Mathieu has the option to go to LSU as a student. LSU is not speculating on his football future.
People need to read that statement again.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:06 am to LSUfan4444
I see the point in LSU being done and not saying a word and then tm7 action will tell us all what happened.
My concern with tm7 holding a presser by himself would be if questions were asked. Im sure LSU wouldn't allow that though.
maybe have tm7 say he is sitting out a year while les miles and joe alleva are on stage with him. Then les can issue a statement of tm7 is now a regular student and he has the support of LSU in getting help and if he can stay straight, Les Miles and the LSU unity council will review his case in the spring. Then say nothing else will be said about him till the spring.
If tm7 messes up then we dont say anything he just doesn't return. He stays clean we welcome him back.
My concern with tm7 holding a presser by himself would be if questions were asked. Im sure LSU wouldn't allow that though.
maybe have tm7 say he is sitting out a year while les miles and joe alleva are on stage with him. Then les can issue a statement of tm7 is now a regular student and he has the support of LSU in getting help and if he can stay straight, Les Miles and the LSU unity council will review his case in the spring. Then say nothing else will be said about him till the spring.
If tm7 messes up then we dont say anything he just doesn't return. He stays clean we welcome him back.
This post was edited on 8/14/12 at 11:10 am
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:07 am to LSUfan4444
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Just come out and say what happened. The more honest you are, the less stupid you look as the story develops.
Disclosing details is prohibited under federal privacy laws, therefore there will also be speculation as to what happened. Any time a student-athlete at any university is dismissed or suspended the reason stated by coach or athletic dept. rep. is "Violation of Team Rules".
Similar to an employer being prohibited from telling a new prospective employer that you were late every day. Prohibited under federal privacy laws, the only negative that a previous employer can divulge is "We would not rehire this individual".
As much as we would all like to know the details (complete story) it will never come from LSU or any of it's employees. That would be a violation of federal law.
In this case, the AD and Miles said all they could say legally on the matter and you can surmise that Legal Counsel apprised the AD and Miles of that fact.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:07 am to TheDoc
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People need to read that statement again.
this
also tm7 needs to keep his mouth shut imo, press conference is just asking for more attention and thats not what he needs right now
also, lets say tm7 does go to rehab...lsu will not announce this, nor will his family im sure. so if we dont hear anything, it is a very good sign
This post was edited on 8/14/12 at 11:09 am
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:08 am to heartbreakTiger
I am so confused
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:10 am to redfieldk717
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also tm7 needs to keep his mouth shut imo, press conference is just asking for more attention and thats not what he needs right now
I agree...there doesn't need to be any more press conference by anyone IMO. Let TM figure out what he's going to do and let this situation die for a while during his recovery/treatment/etc.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:11 am to Boudreaux in SF
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Disclosing details is prohibited under federal privacy laws, therefore there will also be speculation as to what happened. Any time a student-athlete at any university is dismissed or suspended the reason stated by coach or athletic dept. rep. is "Violation of Team Rules".
I am not talking about saing what TM did, I am talking about being straight forward with the process, and that breaks no federal privacy laws.
For example, they said he violated NCAA policy, which obviously is not true.
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In this case, the AD and Miles said all they could say legally on the matter
They said too much. I am not saying they needed to reveal more information, just more accurate information. They tried to be coy, which has caused a ton of fan confusion and inaccurate media speculation based off of their comments (ie the report that Mathieu had to go NAIA because he broke NCAA policy)
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:14 am to heartbreakTiger
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My concern with tm7 holding a presser by himself would be if questions were asked. Im sure LSU wouldn't allow that though
I am not sayinjg he should hold a presser, just that I don't think LSU should.
I do, however, think TM should release a statement if he plans on staying at LSU. if he transfers, just transfer. If he stays at LSU, I think he should be the one to report that info. Either through Herb Vincent and LSU or on his own, and NOT ON TWITTER!!!!!!!
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:18 am to LSUfan4444
I agree on at least announcing it but then again the people that need to know will know.
I see the point of attention being something he doesn't need and I do think it could be bad putting him in the spotlight. The wanting a statement stuff is more the selfish side of wanting to know.
I see the point of attention being something he doesn't need and I do think it could be bad putting him in the spotlight. The wanting a statement stuff is more the selfish side of wanting to know.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:32 am to LSUfan4444
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For example, they said he violated NCAA policy, which obviously is not true.
If it was a failed drug test(s), then yes he did violate NCAA rules.
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am not saying they needed to reveal more information, just more accurate information.
Huh? They said all that they could say.
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the report that Mathieu had to go NAIA because he broke NCAA policy
I do not believe that is what was said by LSU. If Mathieu wants to be eligible to play this season he has to transfer to a lower division school (Div. I AA, II or III, all of which fall under the jurisdiction of the NCAA and not the NAIA). If Mathieu desire to play Division I he would have to sit out a year because of transfer provisions. (I know the divisions are now called FCS, FBS, FUKIT, etc.,just easier to illustrate the point using the old terminology). Both McNeese St. and Nicholls St. are lower division NCAA teams.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:43 am to Boudreaux in SF
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For example, they said he violated NCAA policy, which obviously is not true.
If it was a failed drug test(s), then yes he did violate NCAA rules.
per the NCAA:
The penalty for positive tests of both performance-enhancing and street drugs is strict and automatic. Student-athletes lose one full year of eligibility for the first offense (25 percent of their total eligibility) and are withheld from competition for a full season. A second positive test for street drugs results in another lost year of eligibility and year withheld from competition. A second positive result for PED usage will render the student-athlete permanently ineligible.
Each NCAA member is responsible for determining whether to establish an institutional drug-testing program, at which time the school would be responsible for determining applicable penalties. If a testing program is established, though, the school is obligated to enforce the penalties. Failure to do so can lead to NCAA sanctions.
If he broke an NCAA rule, he would be ineligible to transfer and play at McNeese -thus they gave incorrect info.
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the report that Mathieu had to go NAIA because he broke NCAA policy
I do not believe that is what was said by LSU
It wasn't reported by LSU, it was reported by a media outlet based off of the incorrect information relayed by LSU last Friday. If they can't give the correct answer, just don't answer the question.
This post was edited on 8/14/12 at 11:44 am
Posted on 8/14/12 at 11:54 am to Boudreaux in SF
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If it was a failed drug test(s), then yes he did violate NCAA rules.
False
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