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Posted on 6/29/16 at 10:55 am to ell_13
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If Canni leaves, do players who decided to stay change their minds?
eh, doubtful
Posted on 6/29/16 at 10:58 am to UNO
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skip had never been a head coach before lsu. smoke laval had been. how'd that work out?
Skip had 11 years of HS HC experience as well as 8 years as an assistant. LSU was also a bad program when he took over, and college baseball wasn't what it is now. Also, as another poster has said, you can't compare anyone to Skip. He's the exception to the norm. Cannizaro has 2 years coaching experience period. Experience as a player and a scout counts for something, but it's not coaching.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:00 am to ibleedprplngld
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This argument is pure stupidity.
it wasn't the entire argument. it was a point. but you can take it however you'd like.
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The likelihood that Cannizaro is the next Skip Bertman is about .000001%, no matter how great of an assistant he is.
where did anyone say he would be?
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In the real world, HC experience matters.
who's saying it doesn't? like i said, it's a component of the decision. kevin o'sullivan had never been a head coach anywhere before florida. rob childress had one year of head coaching experience before texas a&m, and it was at a community college. brian o'connor had no head coaching experience before virginia (kind of comparable to cannizaro having also coached under mainieri).
and then there are examples of coaches with no head coaching experience flopping on their faces. like i said, it's a component. to look at other sports, steve kerr had never been a head coach, and now he's regarded as one of the best coaches in the nba. it was the opposite for derek fisher.
the real point: a guy not having head coaching experience shouldn't keep him from getting the job if you truly think he can do the job.
This post was edited on 6/29/16 at 11:04 am
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:07 am to UNO
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kevin o'sullivan had never been a head coach anywhere before florida
he had 17 years experience as a coach, including 10 at UVA and Clemson
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rob childress had one year of head coaching experience before texas a&m
He had 15 years of coaching experience and 8 at a P5 school
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brian o'connor had no head coaching experience before virginia
He had 10 years coaching experience, 3 as associate HC to Mainieri.
Cannizaro has 2 years coaching experience of any kind. He is not comparable to the names you listed
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:09 am to dingle
I have a hard time believing LSU will be contending in the CWS next season as many believe if Andy leaves along with Dunn.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:10 am to lsufball19
because he was playing and scouting for a professional organization for 12 or 13 years. that's baseball experience.
cannizaro will be gone from lsu either this year or after next year to be a head coach somewhere. with only 2 or 3 years of assistant coaching experience. people think the guy is legit. obviously not being an assistant for 10 years isn't going to hurt him. he was playing baseball for 10 years. the guy has proven he is ready for the next step, which is head coaching. is tulane too big of a step up? that's the question.
cannizaro will be gone from lsu either this year or after next year to be a head coach somewhere. with only 2 or 3 years of assistant coaching experience. people think the guy is legit. obviously not being an assistant for 10 years isn't going to hurt him. he was playing baseball for 10 years. the guy has proven he is ready for the next step, which is head coaching. is tulane too big of a step up? that's the question.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:10 am to Merlin08
Can we point out to all the fire CPM crowd that Texas just had to hire Tulane's coach. Pierce is a fine coach and no disrespect to him he could be a home run hire at Texas but if LSU fire someone like CPM and hired someone like Pierce that would be a major fail.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:12 am to Mudminnow
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I have a hard time believing LSU will be contending in the CWS next season as many believe if Andy leaves along with Dunn.
contending to win it all? i mean if you make omaha, you have a shot to win it all. look at coastal carolina and arizona.
and lsu will have a great shot at omaha next season, even without cannizaro or dunn. they will be very talented, with two very good, experienced starters. if they can stay healthy, they'll be one of the favorites.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:14 am to UNO
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the guy has proven he is ready for the next step,
how has he proven that? people were ready to anoint Alan Dunn as the next big thing, then our pitching struggled this year, and we had sections of our fan base calling for his head. Yes, our hitters made great strides the past couple of years, but a 2 year track record does not prove he is ready for the next step. And baseball experience is not coaching experience. Scouting and playing is not coaching. Could it work out? Sure. But I just don't see a program like Tulane taking a chance, this year, on a coach like Cannizaro. If we were talking about a historically less successful program, sure.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:25 am to lsufball19
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how has he proven that?
this is a contradiction to me. lsu fans have praised cannizaro, and have made it clear they don't want to lose him. he's been a good to great assistant. isn't the next step to move on to be a head coach? even if it's at a school with less baseball prestige than tulane...
andy's situation is unique because he played minor league baseball for so long. it's not like the dude is going to be penalized and forced to be an assistant coach for 5-6 years until he's 43 years simply because he made it to the major leagues. if anything, that component should count for something too. he's gotten to the level where recruits want to get.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:26 am to lsufball19
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a 2 year track record does not prove he is ready for the next step
The only thing that proves he is ready for the next step is to take the next step.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:28 am to MountainTiger
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The only thing that proves he is ready for the next step is to take the next step.
exactly
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:47 am to UNO
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this is a contradiction to me. lsu fans have praised cannizaro, and have made it clear they don't want to lose him. he's been a good to great assistant. isn't the next step to move on to be a head coach?
how is that a contradiction? he's done a great job as a hitting coach. that does not also mean he's ready to take the next step to running an entire program. much more goes into being a head coach than simply teaching players the fundamentals of a baseball swing
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:50 am to Mudminnow
And where is Dunn going?
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:54 am to UNO
AC is definitely a coach on the rise & I will hate to lose him, this yr or whenever. But it has to be factored in to the equation that no small part of his success at LSU is due to those 3 letters written across his jersey. Taking the next step is one thing. Taking it from being an assistant coach with only 2 yrs experience to the HC of a major college baseball program is a huge step & it goes way beyond the ball field. Working with a program's budget, dealing with the huge issue of scholarships, at Tulane especially, fund raising, scheduling, putting together a staff. AC has no experience with any of this yet. I am all for the guy but, again, LSU has had a lot to do with his success on the field.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:58 am to TFS4E
Are they talking to Cannizaro
Posted on 6/29/16 at 12:00 pm to Keltic Tiger
Money is hardly a problem at Tulane. If they want Andy, they will get him. Too bad we can't track the plane like when all the Les Miles crap was going on.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 12:01 pm to UNO
Cannizaro is still an assistant though
Posted on 6/29/16 at 12:02 pm to tiger17
New Orleans (Tulane) is the 1st stop shop for UT.
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