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re: truth about Lindsey scott
Posted on 4/25/17 at 4:27 pm to NFLU7
Posted on 4/25/17 at 4:27 pm to NFLU7
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It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Didn't a certain mobile QB light up the same Bama team that held us to a total score of 0 points?
I agree. The OP is probably a really nice guy. But his fb knowledge seems to be, well, wanton.
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 4:28 pm to jackwagon225
Dak, Johnny and Lamar didn't have great teams around them however they were/are successful QBs in the College Level.
This post was edited on 4/25/17 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 4/25/17 at 4:29 pm to luvlsufootball
If he's such a dynamic playmaker, the coaches will get him on the field one way or another. Punt returns, kickoff returns, special plays designed just for him.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 4:32 pm to I am GLORIOUS
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If he's such a dynamic playmaker, the coaches will get him on the field one way or another. Punt returns, kickoff returns, special plays designed just for him.
Nice try Glorious. Been following you for a while. 99% of your posts are about one guy. Been hearing journalist and members of the media saying the same thing about another "dynamic playmaker". But this thread is about LSJ. So I'll stick to the topic. haha
This post was edited on 4/25/17 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 4/25/17 at 5:38 pm to luvlsufootball
To answer a few of the responses. Yes, if LSJ was 6-5 chances are he would have played last year. Chances also would be ever school in America would have wanted him and he wouldn't be at lsu. So yes, the first 70% of this critique lies in his height. Height (and size) determines ability to see over line, running strides, ability to take a hit, overall athletic prowess and ultimately which can often be a game of inches, one's ability to win when it most matters. Enough of the herb Tyler comparisons, who played in an Era when OL were still under 300lbs and DL weren't "athletic".
Next, the spread option read, for which was the offense LSJ had most, if not all success with in hs. First let's put into context at least his senior year. He played with an OL who's now at TCU, a WR who's now a DB at TX Tech, a RB now at Jax St, another WR who just signed for a D1 and another WR and OL who's still at Zachary who will be D1. Pair that with what LSJ is second to none at--every intangible imaginable which is basically impossible for a hs player to have at LSJ level--then he had the success he had in hs, using the spread overpowering weaker opponents. In that context resting solely on his hs tape is pointless bc he won't win any games based on overall talent differential over opponents or beating other qbs who learn and develop the intangibles LSJ had uncannily early. Everyone here with respect to LSJ is projecting, predicting, theorizing, etc, some more informed than others.
Back to the spread, which is the only way LSJ is built to succeed. He isn't an under the center drop back passer. Truth is, LSJ arm is decent but not elite. His speed is decent but not elite. Paired with his height everything must go right for him to succeed hence the necessity for the spread. The peak of the spread was Cam. By PEAK I mean having a qb who is has a legitimate capability to pass for over 200, run for 100 AGAINST THE BEST COMPETITION and ultimately win a chip. That's not run first qbs with Heisman rbs (see Bama sims) or pass first qbs who will primarily win with their arm who occasionally can run (see jameis, deshaun).
So basically we are asking a short qb with decent but not all world ability to a)get under center, drop back, look over OL, use a decent arm or decent legs to escape week in/out SEC defenses or b)have coaches put their job on line by implementing a spread read offenses that's best suited for LSJ for which coaches at elite programs have figured out and trust a kid with the same measurables to beat the odds and hope everything else goes perfect.
The best he can hope for is Etling gets hurt and Narcisse isn't ready and he's forced to play this year. A year from now no way he beats out Narcisse, Brennan or two 4 star or higher qbs who may early enroll.
Next, the spread option read, for which was the offense LSJ had most, if not all success with in hs. First let's put into context at least his senior year. He played with an OL who's now at TCU, a WR who's now a DB at TX Tech, a RB now at Jax St, another WR who just signed for a D1 and another WR and OL who's still at Zachary who will be D1. Pair that with what LSJ is second to none at--every intangible imaginable which is basically impossible for a hs player to have at LSJ level--then he had the success he had in hs, using the spread overpowering weaker opponents. In that context resting solely on his hs tape is pointless bc he won't win any games based on overall talent differential over opponents or beating other qbs who learn and develop the intangibles LSJ had uncannily early. Everyone here with respect to LSJ is projecting, predicting, theorizing, etc, some more informed than others.
Back to the spread, which is the only way LSJ is built to succeed. He isn't an under the center drop back passer. Truth is, LSJ arm is decent but not elite. His speed is decent but not elite. Paired with his height everything must go right for him to succeed hence the necessity for the spread. The peak of the spread was Cam. By PEAK I mean having a qb who is has a legitimate capability to pass for over 200, run for 100 AGAINST THE BEST COMPETITION and ultimately win a chip. That's not run first qbs with Heisman rbs (see Bama sims) or pass first qbs who will primarily win with their arm who occasionally can run (see jameis, deshaun).
So basically we are asking a short qb with decent but not all world ability to a)get under center, drop back, look over OL, use a decent arm or decent legs to escape week in/out SEC defenses or b)have coaches put their job on line by implementing a spread read offenses that's best suited for LSJ for which coaches at elite programs have figured out and trust a kid with the same measurables to beat the odds and hope everything else goes perfect.
The best he can hope for is Etling gets hurt and Narcisse isn't ready and he's forced to play this year. A year from now no way he beats out Narcisse, Brennan or two 4 star or higher qbs who may early enroll.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 5:51 pm to jackwagon225
I liken LSJ to a QB like Barry Brunetti. Bruntetti didn't put up the video game numbers that Scott did, but he also didn't play with as much talent around him as LSJ did. Brunetti, however, was the number 1 or 2 dual threat QB coming out of high school. He led a small private school in Memphis to a season where they finished #3 in the country in Rivals poll. They beat teams like South Panola in MS, for reference. Brunetti, like LSJ, is only 6 feet tall. He was a little thicker than LSJ, but he's still a small QB. He had a decent enough arm and moved well. But, like LSJ, he just didn't have the measurables to succeed. He transferred from WVU to Ole Miss because he was never beating out Geno Smith, who was just a year ahead of him. Then he gets to Ole Miss and plays behind Randall Mackey, Zach Stoudt, and Bo Wallace. He started 2 games in his career at Ole Miss and both were games against scrubs where they played several QBs. And this is when Ole Miss was dreadful. Brunetti was a 4 star Army AA in HS. LSJ was a 3 star recruit with LSU, Maryland, Ruthers and Wake Forest being his only P5 offers, yet people ITT seem to think he's not getting a fair shake. I, quite frankly, don't get it.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 7:11 pm to jackwagon225
He should have gone to Harvard.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 7:43 pm to jackwagon225
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Height (and size) determines ability to see over line
This is false, further shows that you are not a sports guy. Its been documented, QB see through passing lanes, not "over the OL".
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overall athletic prowess
You are reaching dude.
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Enough of the herb Tyler comparisons, who played in an Era when OL were still under 300lbs and DL weren't "athletic".
I've been around this game my entire life (peewee to NFL). This statement is just flat out untrue.
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Back to the spread, which is the only way LSJ is built to succeed
The ONLY way he can succeed you say????
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Truth is, LSJ arm is decent but not elite. His speed is decent but not elite. Paired with his height everything must go right for him to succeed hence the necessity for the spread.
Strength staff here says that he is by far the strongest of all QBs on the roster (Squats more than 550 lbs, which is in line with J. Hurts of (Bama). Lateral ability is definitely Elite (cat quick). I watched our DL and LBs struggle to get a hand on him all spring. Its known that he has scored the HIGHEST WONDERLIC of any LSU player ever. I don't know whether any of that means he will be successful. But it certainly suggests that he can. And certainly suggest that one can be "ELITE" in more ways than one.
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The peak of the spread was Cam. By PEAK I mean having a qb who is has a legitimate capability to pass for over 200, run for 100 AGAINST THE BEST COMPETITION and ultimately win a chip. That's not run first qbs with Heisman rbs (see Bama sims) or pass first qbs who will primarily win with their arm who occasionally can run (see jameis, deshaun).
Wow! Blake was not run first. He set Bama's single season record for passing yards with 3000+. Jameis was not a dual threat.
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The best he can hope for is Etling gets hurt and Narcisse isn't ready and he's forced to play this year. A year from now no way he beats out Narcisse, Brennan or two 4 star or higher qbs who may early enroll.
So now he should hope his teammate gets hurt? lol .
AS TO LSJ HIGH SCHOOL CAREER - YOU CLEARRRLLLLY ARRREE NOTT FROM ZACHARY
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First let's put into context at least his senior year. He played with an OL who's now at TCU, a WR who's now a DB at TX Tech, a RB now at Jax St, another WR who just signed for a D1 and another WR and OL who's still at Zachary who will be D1. Pair that with what LSJ is second to none at--every intangible imaginable which is basically impossible for a hs player to have at LSJ level--then he had the success he had in hs, using the spread overpowering weaker opponents. In that context resting solely on his hs tape is pointless bc he won't win any games based on overall talent differential over opponents or beating other qbs who learn and develop the intangibles LSJ had uncannily early. Everyone here with respect to LSJ is projecting, predicting, theorizing, etc, some more informed than others.
AND YOU CLEARLY DONT FOLLOW COLLEGE RECRUITING. Below is the LSJ's starting lineup his Senior year.
C 3 Star Kelton Hollins 6'3” 285 TCU – 2016
T unranked Trevor Jackson 5'10 250 No Offers
G unranked Dylan Honore 5'10 “ 245 No Offers
T unranked Blake Anderson 6'2” 280 No Offers
G unranked Roy McKnight 5'9” 210 No Offers
WR 3 Star D. Coleman 6'0” 175 Tex.Tech as a DB
WR 2 Star S. White 6'0” 175 Walkon at SELU 2017
WR unranked RJ Newton 5'10 180” No Offers
WR unranked Trae Shropshire 6'3” 170 Class to 2018
RB unranked T. Sullivan 6'0” 220 J-State – 2017 Now Back in Zachary
1. Three of his offensive lineman were under 5'11", and only one had an offer
2. His best WR is now a DB at Texas Tech (only P5 offer), and had no P5 offers at WR.
3. of the 10 other starters only 3 were even rated.
4. Scott rushed for 2000 yds his senior. Almost 1000 more than his running back.
6. The WR you say just signed a D1, is actually D1-AA. I happen to know that he is a walk-on (not a signee at SELU).
7. Southern Lab, Madison Prep, Scotlandville, and other schools had far more recruits than did Zachary. Please don't try to suggest that this school was a loaded power house.
8. Scott had so much talent around him, that he had to throw for 300 and rush for 200 yds three times during the play offs (including the semi final). That doesnt sound like a guy that is in the ideal situation. He also rushed for 300 and passed for 200 twice during the regular season, VERSUS 5A OPPONENTS.
9. Scott played against 5A Talent throughout his career, including a couple of current LSU teammates. The results were the same.
10. Statistically his numbers exceed that of Russell Wilson (who also had a great high career), and he was more highly recruited than the all pro.
Again, I'm not predicting what this kid will be. But with that resume, and the HIGHEST WONDERLIC ever scored by an LSU player, I'm not going to login here and purport to know what his ceiling actually is.
INFERIOR OPPONENTS - would that include Scotlandville a district opponent who was a select 5A semifinalist, or Dutchtown - a qtr finalist. You can't be from Zachary.
If you resisted logging on tigerdropping during the coaching change (the most important issue to affect the program in over a decade), but used this subject as a reason to start an account, you are a troll, and certainly not a tiger fan.
Somewhere there is a guy who logged on to a fan board, from Russell's hometown, claiming that he would never make it.
This post was edited on 4/25/17 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 4/25/17 at 7:47 pm to lsufball19
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He led a small private school in Memphis
Liken??? Already lost me. 5A program in Louisiana. Level of comp matters.
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They beat teams like South Panola in MS, for reference
Not a good reference at all. Louisiana 5A. Not comparable.
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But, like LSJ, he just didn't have the measurables to succeed
See Blake Simms.
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And this is when Ole Miss was dreadful. Brunetti was a 4 star Army AA in HS. LSJ was a 3 star recruit with LSU, Maryland, Ruthers and Wake Forest being his only P5 offers, yet people ITT seem to think he's not getting a fair shake. I, quite frankly, don't get it.
Russell Wilson's only offers were NC State and Duke.
At the end of the day, the best football player in the state of Louisiana in 2015, was LSJ. I know we are all just guessing. Im not even doing that. But before you form an opinion, take some time, and Go watch some film.
This post was edited on 4/25/17 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 4/25/17 at 7:55 pm to luvlsufootball
Posted on 4/25/17 at 8:14 pm to prepsportsallday
Dude is lying. He's created an alter and started this dumbarse thread. The admin is dropping this thread! FINALLY
This post was edited on 4/25/17 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 4/25/17 at 8:34 pm to luvlsufootball
Hey luvlsufootball, great response. To quote Jules from Pulp Fiction, may I retort?
You seemed to conveniently cut my quote off after the first example given. Height and size for qbs, especially those who run, offer numerous advantages not just limited to ability to see over the line.
I stated herb Tyler comparisons needed to stop bc HT played in a era where OL were smaller which would mean DL were smaller which would mean the beating qbs took wasn't as bad. According to you being that I have no football knowledge I'm willing to bet Alan fanaca played most of his career at lsu at around or slightly above or below 300lbs.
I saw a snap in which a defender nearly took LSJ out before he could hand the ball off. I'm sure there is enough footage to go around for any argument either way. As far as his wonderlic, I do believe i said LSJ has intangibles, which would include leadership, cognitive ability, work ethic, intellect--second to none for which he possessed those intangibles are a freakishly early age.
I didn't say Jameis was a dual threat. Many people on this thread have said that spread read or whatever you wanna call it is alive and well and list many qbs who have succeeded using it....oh, none of which succeeded enough to win a chip or consistently against top competition. I stated that at elite programs, coaches have figured out how to minimize a quarterback that could put up collegiately the numbers LSJ put up in hs. I said Cam Newton was the peak of that offense bc since no one has won a chip with a QB designed to run for 100 and pass for 200 or more. DeShaun and Jameis were pocket qbs who could occasionally run. I'll retract my Blake Sims example but then again it's bama.
If Zachary wasn't a powerhouse (your words not mine) then how did they get to 4 straight state semi finals including last year with a freshman qb? (Note I believe one year could have been a quarterfinals). If that team isn't loaded with a few college athletes per year, then the TEAMS THEY ARE STEAMING ROLLING SUCK IN COMPARISON. You say he dropped video game numbers in 3 playoff games against great teams. Context: he didn't drop those numbers in 1st half like steph curry. He dropped those numbers because the games were shootouts. If 3 of his OL were under 6 foot, how does that bode well for his lsu prospects? Southern lab and Madison prep recruit players and scotlandville has half the city of baton Rouge to choose from.
I'll end it with this. I was rooting for LSJ. I truly wanted history to be made. That a kid from Zachary could (don't make fun of this) could win the Heisman and lead lsu to a chip. It just won't happen in my opinion. Too much for him to overcome for it to happen. And no genius, I didn't say he should root for Etling to get hurt, I said for this year only that's the only way he sees the field along with Narcisse not being ready. Enough of posting the same video clip of him making 2 quick throws against 2nd string lsu defense. Granted, he did what he was suppose to do. As he does in weight room. Or film room. Or qb room. Great. It's just not enough, IN MY OPINION. Just as I stated what Etling brings to the table is not enough and that our mediocre qb will bring down WR play.
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This is false, further shows that you are not a sports guy. Its been documented, QB see through passing lanes, not "over the OL".
You seemed to conveniently cut my quote off after the first example given. Height and size for qbs, especially those who run, offer numerous advantages not just limited to ability to see over the line.
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I've been around this game my entire life (peewee to NFL). This statement is just flat out untrue
I stated herb Tyler comparisons needed to stop bc HT played in a era where OL were smaller which would mean DL were smaller which would mean the beating qbs took wasn't as bad. According to you being that I have no football knowledge I'm willing to bet Alan fanaca played most of his career at lsu at around or slightly above or below 300lbs.
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I watched our DL and LBs struggle to get a hand on him all spring. Its known that he has scored the HIGHEST WONDERLIC of any LSU player ever.
I saw a snap in which a defender nearly took LSJ out before he could hand the ball off. I'm sure there is enough footage to go around for any argument either way. As far as his wonderlic, I do believe i said LSJ has intangibles, which would include leadership, cognitive ability, work ethic, intellect--second to none for which he possessed those intangibles are a freakishly early age.
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Jameis was not a dual threat.
I didn't say Jameis was a dual threat. Many people on this thread have said that spread read or whatever you wanna call it is alive and well and list many qbs who have succeeded using it....oh, none of which succeeded enough to win a chip or consistently against top competition. I stated that at elite programs, coaches have figured out how to minimize a quarterback that could put up collegiately the numbers LSJ put up in hs. I said Cam Newton was the peak of that offense bc since no one has won a chip with a QB designed to run for 100 and pass for 200 or more. DeShaun and Jameis were pocket qbs who could occasionally run. I'll retract my Blake Sims example but then again it's bama.
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AND YOU CLEARLY DONT FOLLOW COLLEGE RECRUITING. Below is the LSJ's starting lineup his Senior year.
If Zachary wasn't a powerhouse (your words not mine) then how did they get to 4 straight state semi finals including last year with a freshman qb? (Note I believe one year could have been a quarterfinals). If that team isn't loaded with a few college athletes per year, then the TEAMS THEY ARE STEAMING ROLLING SUCK IN COMPARISON. You say he dropped video game numbers in 3 playoff games against great teams. Context: he didn't drop those numbers in 1st half like steph curry. He dropped those numbers because the games were shootouts. If 3 of his OL were under 6 foot, how does that bode well for his lsu prospects? Southern lab and Madison prep recruit players and scotlandville has half the city of baton Rouge to choose from.
I'll end it with this. I was rooting for LSJ. I truly wanted history to be made. That a kid from Zachary could (don't make fun of this) could win the Heisman and lead lsu to a chip. It just won't happen in my opinion. Too much for him to overcome for it to happen. And no genius, I didn't say he should root for Etling to get hurt, I said for this year only that's the only way he sees the field along with Narcisse not being ready. Enough of posting the same video clip of him making 2 quick throws against 2nd string lsu defense. Granted, he did what he was suppose to do. As he does in weight room. Or film room. Or qb room. Great. It's just not enough, IN MY OPINION. Just as I stated what Etling brings to the table is not enough and that our mediocre qb will bring down WR play.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 8:38 pm to jackwagon225
I don't live in La and have only seen tape, but if Herb Tyler can play and play pretty well in the sec, the I have to believe scott can. That being said, I think we're doomed again this yr with no answer under center.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 8:52 pm to jackwagon225
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. If 3 of his OL were under 6 foot, how does that bode well for his lsu prospects?
Check his film in the all american game, where everyone there was 6'5 and above. Im done with this dread its dying. LINK
PS - your thread is sinking because of hits negativity.
This post was edited on 4/25/17 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 4/25/17 at 8:55 pm to Shiftyplus1
There is no comparison between LS and Drew Brees. None. You lost credibility when you started that way. Brees is HOF and Scott is struggling to hold on to third string on a college team with a weak QB roster. Cheers.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 9:05 pm to jackwagon225
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Enough of the herb Tyler comparisons, who played in an Era when OL were still under 300lbs and DL weren't "athletic".
alan faneca and al jackson were over 300 pounds and they blocked for herb tyler. adam perry was right around 300. i could go on and on. you are wrong again!
booger mcfarland and gabe northern were not athletic? chuck wiley? james gillyard?
just please stop posting. i proved you wrong on your spread Qb theory and now this. just stop. you are making yourself look silly.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 9:07 pm to luvlsufootball
Not a single SEC offer until lsu's late bid. The offers he held were from second tier programs and no hope teams like Rutgers and Alcorn St.
Hard to explain how everybody missed what you say was obvious. I'd say his position on the depth chart accurately reflects his prospects coming out of high school. Sorry.
Hard to explain how everybody missed what you say was obvious. I'd say his position on the depth chart accurately reflects his prospects coming out of high school. Sorry.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 9:39 pm to jackwagon225
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Not only that in order to be a great spread qb you have to be an elite passer
Well this isnt true.its actually tge exact opposite.Spread offenses cover up a flawed passer. Most spread qbs are not a full field progression qb. If spread qbs have to be elite passers then the nfl would be littered with spread qbs.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:51 pm to tilthatday
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Not a single SEC offer until lsu's late bid. The offers he held were from second tier programs and no hope teams like Rutgers and Alcorn St.
Hard to explain how everybody missed what you say was obvious. I'd say his position on the depth chart accurately reflects his prospects coming out of high school. Sorry.
Hard to explain???
I'snt that what happens with 5'11 QBs with talent. Traditional powers pass, while the purdues, north carolina state's, marylands of the world take a chance. Talent is not the issue. LSU didnt offer earlier, cause they new that it would send others "a calling". Try again.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 12:38 am
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:52 am to jackwagon225
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If Zachary wasn't a powerhouse (your words not mine) then how did they get to 4 straight state semi finals including last year with a freshman qb?
Powerhouse means multiple championships. Not playoff appearances.
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saw a snap in which a defender nearly took LSJ out before he could hand the ball off.
Have you ever played football. What does that have to do with LSJ's ability? Is that an Oline issue? Stop posting. Are you older than 18?? seriously!
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I do believe i said LSJ has intangibles, which would include leadership, cognitive ability, work ethic, intellect
Intellect doesnt get you 5000 yards 61 TDs, alone. Talent does.
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he didn't drop those numbers in 1st half like steph curry. He dropped those numbers because the games were shootouts.
Sooo... He dropped those numbers cause his team needed him, and not due inferior competition.
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I was rooting for LSJ.
No you werent. You have an agenda. Have you wondered why thread keeps sinking pages down? Cause the admin knows that you are trolling.
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hat a kid from Zachary could (don't make fun of this) could win the Heisman and lead lsu to a chip
Heisman? really lol. And its "ship" lol
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Too much for him to overcome for it to happen.
That might be true. It wont be his talent though. It will be the thinking of people that actually believe that he can't perform at 5'11.
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Enough of posting the same video clip of him making 2 quick throws against 2nd string lsu defense.
Hey looks like that Greedy Williams a 5 star. Those look like TD passes from the spring. Quick or not, proof is proof. Oh but it don't serve your agenda.
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Just as I stated what Etling brings to the table is not enough and that our mediocre qb will bring down WR play.
You are a bona fide idiot. Since youre trolling, I done responding.
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