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re: Trindon TD called back

Posted on 11/23/08 at 6:53 pm to
Posted by Hideo Nomo
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 6:53 pm to
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I can't remember folks waving off before....


You seriously think this is the first year that returners have been waving off their coverage team?
Posted by LA007
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 6:53 pm to
Again, thanks SlowFroProw. I think from experience that T.H. was signalling to his teammates to get away from the ball... but I see the point in light of the rule. Just never seen that one before.
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 6:55 pm to
quote:

Invalid Signals
ARTICLE 3. a. During a down in which a kick is made, no player of Team B shall
make any invalid fair catch signal during a free kick or beyond the neutral zone
during a scrimmage kick. Any signal is invalid after a scrimmage kick is caught
beyond the neutral zone, strikes the ground or touches another player beyond the
neutral zone. A signal is invalid after a free kick is caught, strikes the ground or
touches another player (A.R. 6-5-3-IV-VI).
b. A catch after an invalid signal is not a fair catch, and the ball is dead where
caught. If the signal follows a catch, the ball is dead when the signal is first
given (A.R. 6-5-1-II).
c. Invalid signals beyond the neutral zone apply only to Team B (A.R. 6-5-3-II).
d. An invalid signal beyond the neutral zone is possible only when the ball has
crossed the neutral zone (Rule 2-15-7) (A.R6-5-3-I).
.
Posted by Hideo Nomo
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 6:57 pm to
...and? Is that in response to my latest post? Returns have been waving off their coverage teams for as long as I can remember.
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 6:59 pm to
1) That really isn't a counter arugment. If a cop lets you go with a warning for speeding, do you bring it up when another wants to give you a ticket later?

2) It is a new rule I think.
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:03 pm to
quote:

You seriously think this is the first year that returners have been waving off their coverage team?


No, I meant I can't remember me, personally, seeing any THIS year where they tried to return it after the wave off.
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
27403 posts
Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:29 pm to
anything you do with your hands, other than the proper fair catch signal, is considered an invalid signal, you can then catch the ball to keep it advancing down field but you cannot return it.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:31 pm to
So you can't signal your teammates without penalty.


Posted by texastiger38
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:33 pm to
no you can, but you cannot return it, that is when the penalty comes into it.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:34 pm to
The play on the extra point that was called was a new rule too. That was against Auburn I think.

We get em all.






Posted by Hideo Nomo
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:34 pm to
quote:

No, I meant I can't remember me, personally, seeing any THIS year where they tried to return it after the wave off.


Oh, that's cool, I thought you meant that you'd never seen anyone wave off their coverage team before.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:37 pm to
I have never seen a kick where the returner gives a fair catch signal when the ball bounces.
I have not seen every game so it is possible. Not probable though.



Posted by Geauxtiga
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:39 pm to
quote:

I'm still not sure what the reasoning for the rule is though.
To prevent the receiving team from confusing the kickoff coverage. Removes ANY doubt...if you wave your arms, it's done.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:44 pm to
In case the coverage team is confused by a fair catch signal, that was not one of them. Cannot get it back anyways. It is a done deal.

I thought the rule also would state what a fair catch signal would look like in order to be proper. If that is left out and left to discretion, it is not a proper rule. jmo


Posted by Mrs. Amaro
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Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 9:41 pm to
Today -- NY Giants returner gave the exact same signal and then grabbed the punted ball on two hops and ran it for 10 yards -- no penalty (unless NFL rules differ, this should not have been whistled down nor flaaaged.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 10:14 pm to
quote:

Today -- NY Giants returner gave the exact same signal and then grabbed the punted ball on two hops and ran it for 10 yards -- no penalty (unless NFL rules differ, this should not have been whistled down nor flaaaged.


The NFL rule is different. In the NFL, once the ball hits the ground, the returner can advance the ball, even if he called for a fair catch.

In college, even if the ball hits the ground, the returner can not advance the ball. Doing so, results in a delay of game penalty.

LINK

Posted by neweuquol
Thibodaux
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 10:15 pm to
Even if you make a fair catch signal, once the ball hits the ground, it's a live ball.
Posted by neweuquol
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 10:16 pm to
quote:

The NFL rule is different. In the NFL, once the ball hits the ground, the returner can advance the ball, even if he called for a fair catch.

In college, even if the ball hits the ground, the returner can not advance the ball. Doing so, results in a delay of game penalty.

LINK



when did that rule change?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 10:17 pm to
quote:

Even if you make a fair catch signal, once the ball hits the ground, it's a live ball.

any signal after the ball hits the ground makes the ball dead for the receiving team. ANY signal
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