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Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:20 pm to Metaloctopus
He was comparing two players. Not two teams. The information was spot on to what he was comparing.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:22 pm to cajuntiger1010
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Bama has been pretty lackluster this year running the ball. A lot of is because they dont need to because of the WRs and Tua.
This is shaping up to be a very atypical match between us and Bama; namely a shoot out instead of the defensive struggle.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:32 pm to brightside878
We'll see speed when Emery finally breaks out. Next question is, is Emery actually faster than Hellere? Is he slightly or is he blazing? I really don't know. All I know is everyone(almost) thinks he is a better choice.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:49 pm to DaCajun1
Spin it all you want but he brings the offense down. With one of the freshman getting his carries we’d be on another level. His tap dancing will cost us a game or 2.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:51 pm to Mahootney
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How many top 10 teams has bama played?
Thanks in advance.
The question you should be asking me is how many top ten, or even good defenses, in general, either team has faced. The answer is zero. LSU has played the single toughest opponent between the two teams, but bama has played a tougher overall schedule than LSU has in their other three games. But neither team has faced good defenses, so your question is irrelevant.
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:52 pm to Kaybaby82
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Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:55 pm to DaCajun1
Against terrible, atrocious defenses. Wait until we play a real defense, he’ll get no where doing that.
His stats are inflated just like burrows, judgement needs to be held until after first real SEC game.
His stats are inflated just like burrows, judgement needs to be held until after first real SEC game.
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:02 pm to DaCajun1
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But you didn’t show how many of those were Tua scrambles or WR jet sweeps.
Does it matter? Now you want to exclude certain players from the running game to make your argument? Ok then:
Tua has 44 yards on 12 carries. A 3.7 average.
As for the WR's:
Chadarius Townsend has 2 carries for minus 2 yards.
Slade Bolden has 1 carry for 2 yards.
Jaylen Waddle has 1 carry for 5 yards.
And, finally, Henry Ruggs has 1 carry for 75 yards.
So only one player, on one play, has made any noteworthy contribution to their running game who is not a running back. Any more questions?
edit- It's cute how two people have downvoted this comment, and yet are unable to make a coherent response, or, in fact, ANY response to refute it. When people are confronted with irrefutable evidence that shoots down their blind narratives, they just downvote and hide.
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Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:06 pm to Kaybaby82
quote:his "tap dancing" got us a couple of crucial first downs at texas despite being hit in the backfield.
His tap dancing will cost us a game or 2.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:08 pm to Kaybaby82
quote:texas has REALLY good talent on the front 7.
Against terrible, atrocious defenses
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His stats are inflated just like burrows
what the hell is this crap? you think burrow's accuracy on long passes is "inflated?" that's stupid. those video game numbers are hard to achieve IN PRACTICE much less in a gamePosted on 9/27/19 at 9:11 pm to Metaloctopus
quote:you realize that SIGNIFICANTLY closes the gap between the overall rushing numbers between the two, right? so yeah, that one play makes a pretty huge difference.
So only one player, on one play, has made any noteworthy contribution to their running game who is not a running back
quote:it's already been stated to you that the comparison was ceteris parabis. you're the one who started dragging in other stats to muddy the waters.
When people are confronted with irrefutable evidence that shoots down their blind narratives, they just downvote and hide.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:35 pm to DaCajun1
What about receiving yards?
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:41 pm to bfniii
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you realize that SIGNIFICANTLY closes the gap between the overall rushing numbers between the two, right? so yeah, that one play makes a pretty huge difference.
75 yards out of 4 games, makes a significant difference? No it does not. And what disqualifies a jet sweet from being a running play? No one blocks on those plays? It's a weak argument.
quote:
it's already been stated to you that the comparison was ceteris parabis. you're the one who started dragging in other stats to muddy the waters.
In what way has this been demonstrated to me? We're talking about the running game. At no point was it demonstrated that there were any specific conditions in this comparison. The OP states that our running game is just fine, because Helaire has more yards than Harris. He avoids all other facts that refute his assertion, because this one stat was convenient for him.
I did not "drag" any stats into the conversation, nor did I muddy any waters. I showed how Harris has a higher average per carry, and how bama has a large advantage in overall rushing statistics, in almost the exact same amount of carries. That is 100% relevant to the topic that the OP, himself, brought up. I merely provided the conversation with some context and transparency that he was unwilling to consider. at which point, HE decides that this must mean that Bama is doing it all by means of jet sweeps. I showed how Bama has only had one play that made any difference, and that play, last time I checked, counts as a running play, no matter how inconvenient that fact may be to his argument.
Let me know when you have something substantive to add.
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:56 pm to Blueprint
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He was comparing two players. Not two teams. The information was spot on to what he was comparing.
He compared two players to make the argument that LSU's running game is fine. The insinuation is very obvious, considering the talk has been about our running struggling, and not just how one back compares to any other back in the country. Otherwise, why make the comparison, at all? Are we supposed to be impressed that that our top running back, statistically, is averaging less yards per carry than Alabama's running back who has also played no good defenses? Doesn't the fact that they have similar stats just speak poorly for both Helaire AND Harris?
But I'm not even being critical of our running backs. It's our offensive line that has been the problem.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:29 pm to Metaloctopus
715 yards - the one 75 yard sweep = 650 yards
LSU 527 yards
there's not a HUGE difference between 650 and 527 especially considering lsu's passing game numbers and that the sweep wasn't a typical running play. lsu played a top 15 team on the road. bama played crappy duke at a neutral site.
LSU 527 yards
there's not a HUGE difference between 650 and 527 especially considering lsu's passing game numbers and that the sweep wasn't a typical running play. lsu played a top 15 team on the road. bama played crappy duke at a neutral site.
quote:multiple people have explained it to you. it's just not that difficult.
In what way has this been demonstrated to me?
quote:it's in the freaking title of the thread
At no point was it demonstrated that there were any specific conditions in this comparison
quote:correct. it's not that far off from bama and they are the benchmark. that was the point.
The OP states that our running game is just fine,
quote:there's no "refutation." it's ceteris parabis. you want to start dragging in all kinds of other offense numbers? then why didn't you mention the passing game where lsu has CLEARLY superior numbers.
He avoids all other facts that refute his assertion
quote:you did precisely that...
I did not "drag" any stats into the conversation, nor did I muddy any waters.
quote:right here
bama has a large advantage in overall rushing statistics
quote:that's not a refutation of the op. it's just broadening the discussing in which you objected to someone else broadening it even more. seems inconsistent of you, right?
I merely provided the conversation with some context and transparency that he was unwilling to consider.
quote:no but it does significantly affect the numbers.
HE decides that this must mean that Bama is doing it all by means of jet sweeps
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:33 pm to Metaloctopus
quote:the op is showing that it's not as much of a problem as some people are making it out to be
It's our offensive line that has been the problem
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:38 pm to DaCajun1
Clyde had a jump cut for a TD vs NWST that, had it been Emery, the rant would have collectively orgasmed.
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 9/27/19 at 11:02 pm to DaCajun1
I heard someone say decades ago, paraphrasing, “Statistics are like bikinis. What they show is great, but what they don’t show is what’s really important.” Unless there’s a big disparity in yardage, then it doesn’t make a difference at this point. What matters is who shows up and makes the plays on Nov. 9 (is that the date?)
Posted on 9/28/19 at 12:13 am to Mystictiger
Bama takes out there starters on offense a good bit more than LSU and they haven’t played a full game yet. I think that plays a large part. They would be about equal
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