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Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:16 pm to JPLSU1981
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:16 pm to JPLSU1981
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JJ is not a better QB than Lee ... wasn't in High School and is not now. Those that know both of their talents and abilities know this to be true.
That said, JJ certainly has ability, just not as much potential as Lee. Lee will play at the next level, JJ will not. But it's no surpise that the backup is so popular with fans, that has always been the case and will always be the case (especially a backup that most fans have really not gotten to observe first-hand all that much).
That is a whole lot of wrong fitted into one post. Jefferson is taller, faster, a better runner, has a stronger arm, and doesn't appear to be a mental midget. How anyone besides Lee's dad can honestly think Lee has more upside is beyond me. Dude shits his pants every game.
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Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:17 pm to geauxjo
Can't we just all agree that in reality.....neither are that good.
Doesnt mean neither can improve, but....neither has a very good argument as to who is best.
Doesnt mean neither can improve, but....neither has a very good argument as to who is best.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:19 pm to mes1100
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Can't we just all agree that in reality.....neither are that good.
For realz.
This post was edited on 11/24/08 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:23 pm to geauxjo
well if we are being honest...how much did the O-Line and receivers help? He was blitzed constantly b/c we could not run the ball except for JJ's qb keepers. There were many dropped balls.
The Lee advocates love to say how you can't just blame JL but then turn around and just blame JJ. The playcalling was horrendous, the receivers dropped balls, and we couldn't run the ball at all. Both Lee and JJ have been put in that situation...the main difference is that JJ made heads up plays and showed signes of improvement as the game went on whereas JL doesn't. He makes the same mistakes over and over.
The Lee advocates love to say how you can't just blame JL but then turn around and just blame JJ. The playcalling was horrendous, the receivers dropped balls, and we couldn't run the ball at all. Both Lee and JJ have been put in that situation...the main difference is that JJ made heads up plays and showed signes of improvement as the game went on whereas JL doesn't. He makes the same mistakes over and over.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:28 pm to bayoutiggah
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The Lee advocates love to say how you can't just blame JL but then turn around and just blame JJ
There's one of the problems there. Are you a JJ advocate? See, I'm not. I'm trying to be objective about the team. Many have just chosen sides in an argument about the better QB and are trying to win the argument at all costs.
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The playcalling was horrendous, the receivers dropped balls, and we couldn't run the ball at all.
The same could be said of similiar situations that JL has faced also.
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the main difference is that JJ made heads up plays and showed signes of improvement as the game went on
Again, that's just not stating the facts. He digressed as the game went on. Go back and look at the final quarter. We were dead in the water as an offense. We had like 32 yards in our last 20 snaps. Neither guy is very good right now but both have enough talent to be a good QB one day...if they can mentally and emotionally survive the LSU fans unrational expectations.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:31 pm to bayoutiggah
JJ has not played enough for anyone to say he can or can not be lsu's starting qb. the only thing he's done in my eyes is earn him self some more playing time in witch he'll definatly recieve this saturday...but no matter how good OR bad he does probably still wont be good enough for me to decide.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:34 pm to bayoutiggah
If a guy complete a pass he's labeled a Heisman candidate, if he throws an INT his scholly is pulled. That's kinda how it works.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:38 pm to Hot Carl
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How anyone besides Lee's dad can honestly think Lee has more upside is beyond me. Dude shits his pants every game.
Just so you'll know, similiar things were said about John Parker Wilson for several years at Bama. Yep.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:38 pm to bayoutiggah
I asked this question before and never got an answer:
Why is it that people think as an LSU fan, you must love one QB and hate another? Seems to me that neither JL or JJ (and not AH, if you want to go on that far) are ready and able to be a starting SEC QB right now. I think both have done their best under extraordinary circumstances this year. The both have positives and negatives right now, and if you can't see both then you should recuse yourself from passing any judgements.
JJ "looks" comfortable and able bodied in the game. Right now he "seems" more comfortable in the pocket, yes. However, Jarrett should deserve some credit for leading many more scoring drives with the same offensive support than JJ was able to do. No, the recievers didn't help JJ Sat., but they have also dropped a few from Lee as well. No, the O-line caved in some on JJ, but were the same O-line that JL played behind.
I already said that JJ showed certain signs of "poise" that JL seems to be missing. But the scoreboard shows that poised or not, and maybe simply because of a deeper exposure to the playbook, JL put more points on the board.
If Ole Mrs. is as suck-not as you all say, then why wasn't JJ able to put up at least as many points as JL did against Bama? Miss. soon figured out the limited playlist of the JJ machine and the offense was over. Oh, as does the Ole Mrs. result give any support to the prior theory that an open, somewhat risky passing game as has something to do with freeing up the run for CS and Co.? Some wanted to say that Lee throwing the ball around when it was VERY unexpected, didn't have anything to do with the run game being effective. Sure seems like did now.
Coaches said that JJ needed more time and more indepth knowledge in order to be really effective. Is it just that certain people on here cannot BEAR the thought that something the coaches said seems to be true?
Why is it that people think as an LSU fan, you must love one QB and hate another? Seems to me that neither JL or JJ (and not AH, if you want to go on that far) are ready and able to be a starting SEC QB right now. I think both have done their best under extraordinary circumstances this year. The both have positives and negatives right now, and if you can't see both then you should recuse yourself from passing any judgements.
JJ "looks" comfortable and able bodied in the game. Right now he "seems" more comfortable in the pocket, yes. However, Jarrett should deserve some credit for leading many more scoring drives with the same offensive support than JJ was able to do. No, the recievers didn't help JJ Sat., but they have also dropped a few from Lee as well. No, the O-line caved in some on JJ, but were the same O-line that JL played behind.
I already said that JJ showed certain signs of "poise" that JL seems to be missing. But the scoreboard shows that poised or not, and maybe simply because of a deeper exposure to the playbook, JL put more points on the board.
If Ole Mrs. is as suck-not as you all say, then why wasn't JJ able to put up at least as many points as JL did against Bama? Miss. soon figured out the limited playlist of the JJ machine and the offense was over. Oh, as does the Ole Mrs. result give any support to the prior theory that an open, somewhat risky passing game as has something to do with freeing up the run for CS and Co.? Some wanted to say that Lee throwing the ball around when it was VERY unexpected, didn't have anything to do with the run game being effective. Sure seems like did now.
Coaches said that JJ needed more time and more indepth knowledge in order to be really effective. Is it just that certain people on here cannot BEAR the thought that something the coaches said seems to be true?
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:39 pm to mes1100
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neither has a very good argument as to who is best.
Exactly, we've only seen JJ in 1/2 a game. We really have no basis for comparison!
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:41 pm to JPLSU1981
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JJ is not a better QB than Lee ... wasn't in High School and is not now
how do you figure. JJ led his team to a state championship. JL didnt.
JJ ran a completely different offense than JL. JL passed all the time and racked up tons of great looking stats. You would think that Lee would be more fit to come in and throw the ball on a college level..... not JJ.
But in the few drives that JJ has had he seems to adjusted quicker than JL despite not throwing the ball near as much in high school
This post was edited on 11/24/08 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:41 pm to Ponson416
JL couldn't hold JJ's jock strap. You people are delusional.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:41 pm to LSUmomma
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I asked this question before and never got an answer:
Why is it that people think as an LSU fan, you must love one QB and hate another? Seems to me that neither JL or JJ (and not AH, if you want to go on that far) are ready and able to be a starting SEC QB right now. I think both have done their best under extraordinary circumstances this year. The both have positives and negatives right now, and if you can't see both then you should recuse yourself from passing any judgements.
JJ "looks" comfortable and able bodied in the game. Right now he "seems" more comfortable in the pocket, yes. However, Jarrett should deserve some credit for leading many more scoring drives with the same offensive support than JJ was able to do. No, the recievers didn't help JJ Sat., but they have also dropped a few from Lee as well. No, the O-line caved in some on JJ, but were the same O-line that JL played behind.
I already said that JJ showed certain signs of "poise" that JL seems to be missing. But the scoreboard shows that poised or not, and maybe simply because of a deeper exposure to the playbook, JL put more points on the board.
If Ole Mrs. is as suck-not as you all say, then why wasn't JJ able to put up at least as many points as JL did against Bama? Miss. soon figured out the limited playlist of the JJ machine and the offense was over. Oh, as does the Ole Mrs. result give any support to the prior theory that an open, somewhat risky passing game as has something to do with freeing up the run for CS and Co.? Some wanted to say that Lee throwing the ball around when it was VERY unexpected, didn't have anything to do with the run game being effective. Sure seems like did now.
Coaches said that JJ needed more time and more indepth knowledge in order to be really effective. Is it just that certain people on here cannot BEAR the thought that something the coaches said seems to be true?
Impeccable post momma
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:42 pm to geauxjo
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Actually lead our team to scoring enough points to win.
how many td's did Lee have? How many did JJ have?
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:42 pm to bayoutiggah
A bad line can make any QB look bad, I don't care how much talent he has. You put him ( particularly a kid) under too much pressure and he will do things out of desperation - some of them bad.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:44 pm to geauxjo
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geauxjo
I like you. Seriously, this should be said more around here. Thanks for having my back, and if you're ever in the B'ham area, let me know! My love of cooking actually rivals my love for LSU sports!
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:44 pm to DaSaltyTiger
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A bad line can make any QB look bad, I don't care how much talent he has. You put him ( particularly a kid) under too much pressure and he will do things out of desperation - some of them bad.
Like make a throw off of your back foot. Which was (luckily) completed for a first down. Unfortunately leading to an injury though
This post was edited on 11/24/08 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:47 pm to SuperD AP
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how many td's did Lee have? How many did JJ have?
JL has shown he can actually score enough to win some games. JJ hasn't yet....he didn't know the playbook well enough to get that chance. JJ may well turn out to be the better QB...hey it doesn't matter to me..I just want us to win, but the point is that as of now, JJ's play knowledge is very limited. Ole Miss had him figured out after a couple of 3 possessions and totally shut him down in the 4th quarter...just facts.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:47 pm to bayoutiggah
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one of the hardest workers on the team Terrance Tolliver
Wow, a month or so ago T. Tolliver was a pre-madonna with an imagined low iq(not knowing where to lineup), now he is one of the hardest workers. You people are confused. By the way C. Scott made the tackle.
Posted on 11/24/08 at 2:48 pm to JPLSU1981
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Lee will play at the next level
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