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Posted on 5/27/09 at 9:55 pm to Ryan3232
quote:Like Tolliver has? He has come in, and he has played "good" (sic). He has also been behind some outstanding receivers in his two years which has dramatically limited his PT as opposed to some others who walked into teams lacking at WR.
Name 5 people above Terrance Tolliver who hasn't shined...... And when I say shined, I mean came in and played good.
Posted on 5/27/09 at 9:58 pm to FlowMaster
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I am sick of people saying toliver has not yet lived up to his potential.
Because he hasn't.
Posted on 5/27/09 at 10:00 pm to Fgiord
quote:In what way? What was he expected to do behind Doucet, LaFell and Byrd, and sharing duties with Holliday, the Mitchell's, etc., that he has not done? And by whom?
But he still hasnt lived up to his sky high expectations
Posted on 5/27/09 at 10:18 pm to FlowMaster
he will be a first round draft pick, imo
Posted on 5/27/09 at 10:27 pm to Fgiord
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But he still hasnt lived up to his sky high expectations
how hard is it to understand the fact that he hasn't had the chance to live up to expectations because of depth?!
Posted on 5/27/09 at 10:35 pm to Prominentwon
Pretty hard i guess. Coming out of high school i remember people talking about him making an immediate impact his first year and all this jazz.
Posted on 5/27/09 at 10:39 pm to FlowMaster
If I remember correctly, his rating was based on raw talent and potential. He was supposed to be a work in progress.
Posted on 5/27/09 at 10:43 pm to Prominentwon
quote:Prom you're asking a little to much from the rantards.
how hard is it to understand the fact that he hasn't had the chance to live up to expectations because of depth?!
Posted on 5/27/09 at 10:48 pm to Prominentwon
Hard to say how good he can be and if he's underachieved. Seems like when he's on the field he makes catches and plays. Has lots of talent and is a mismatch for every DB in CFB.
Hope we get to see just how good he can bein '09 (and '10).
Hope we get to see just how good he can bein '09 (and '10).
Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:00 pm to AlwysATgr
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Hard to say how good he can be and if he's underachieved. Seems like when he's on the field he makes catches and plays. Has lots of talent and is a mismatch for every DB in CFB.
Doucet, LaFell, Byrd, Dickson >>> True Frosh, Soph Toliver. Regardless of his Rivals ratings.
Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:02 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:
Hard to say how good he can be and if he's underachieved.
Still don't get it...Depth! Cmon dude...Teams that are loaded at WR rarely throw a freshman in just because he was highly rated in high school.Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:09 pm to FlowMaster
Are you blind? Did you see Dez Bryant and Julio Jones And Crabtree. These guys lived up to expectations. Tolliver is still way to thin. He has not made an impact. Brandon LaFell took a few years to bulk up and become an impact player. Hopefully TT will also. Regardless of the problems at QB, He is not in the class as the aforementioned youngsters.
Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:11 pm to tigerjake
Tigerjake - sounds like we're in violent agreement. The jury's still out on TT.
Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:13 pm to rickyh
quote:Yeah...and those guys went to teams with shitty depth. Doucet, Byrd, and Lafell were better in Tolivers two seasons than he was. Of course the above mentioned will shine, when they have no other great WRs on their team.
Are you blind? Did you see Dez Bryant and Julio Jones And Crabtree.
Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:13 pm to Fgiord
quote:Played in 14 games with two starts, gaining 250 yards and 3 TDs, on a National Championship team; that sounds like an impact to me. Or does "impact" have to mean "All American"?
Coming out of high school i remember people talking about him making an immediate impact his first year and all this jazz
Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:15 pm to AlwysATgr
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Tigerjake - sounds like we're in violent agreement. The jury's still out on TT.
Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:17 pm to tigerjake
Maybe later but he is not in the class of the other great ones who are proven. Don't let your heart deceive your eyes or common sense, we all hope that he developes into an elite receiver but it is more than a stretch to call him one now.
Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:20 pm to FlowMaster
So has Toliver lived up to his potential or not?
If so, link?
If so, link?
Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:23 pm to rickyh
quote:Lived up to expectations? Michael Crabtree shattered virtually every receiving record in the book as a freshman, and you say he "lived up to expectations"?
Are you blind? Did you see Dez Bryant and Julio Jones And Crabtree. These guys lived up to expectations
I try to avoid extreme judgments these days, but that is simply a retarded statement. Saying that you have to be one of the three or four best WRs in the history of the game in your 2nd year to "live up to expectations" is just fricking stupid.
quote:And that means he did not live up to expectations? How many people do you think were seriously expecting him to have already won the Biletnikoff?
Regardless of the problems at QB, He is not in the class as the aforementioned youngsters.
Terrence Tolliver was a highly rated WR coming out of high school, expected to spend a year or two making significant contributions to an elite team stacked with incredible talent before taking over one of the starring roles. And in his first two years he has done precisely that, and thus would be right in line with expectations should he step up and be a star this year.
Except for those who "expected" a Biletnikoff by now, I guess.
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