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To bunt or not to bunt?
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:04 pm
Sorry if this was already mentioned. I didnt read thru every thread.
Think it was the 5th....down by 2, runners on 1st and 2nd....freshman with speed at the plate and he's swinging away instead of trying to move them over with the possibility of beating out a bunt on a wild throw.
In the 8th....down by 2, runner on 1st, Cabrera at the plate....and he tries to lay down a bunt on the first pitch.
Wth? Move the runner over, hoping to get a base hit, to cut it down to one run, with 5 outs left?
Am I missing something here?
Think it was the 5th....down by 2, runners on 1st and 2nd....freshman with speed at the plate and he's swinging away instead of trying to move them over with the possibility of beating out a bunt on a wild throw.
In the 8th....down by 2, runner on 1st, Cabrera at the plate....and he tries to lay down a bunt on the first pitch.
Wth? Move the runner over, hoping to get a base hit, to cut it down to one run, with 5 outs left?
Am I missing something here?
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Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:14 pm to LeRoyCorso
Without the wind tonight that Hampton fly ball could have had a chance
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:14 pm to LeRoyCorso
The Cabrera bunt attempt in the 8th really confused me
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:56 pm to Jack Daniel
You don’t bunt your Lead off guy in that situation . Especially considering Cabrera’s power to tie it.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 12:00 am to LeRoyCorso
I'm 100% against bunting unless A) you absolutely need 1 run (i.e., down 1 or tied in the bottom of the last inning), or B) you have a terrible hitter up with 0 outs and a bunt sets up a good hitter.
For instance, I would've squeezed with Hal in the 5th because....it's Hal, but I wouldn't have bunted at any other time. Because when you play for 1 run, you often only score 1 run.
The problem is needing to play for 1 run vs. Eastern Kentucky.
For instance, I would've squeezed with Hal in the 5th because....it's Hal, but I wouldn't have bunted at any other time. Because when you play for 1 run, you often only score 1 run.
The problem is needing to play for 1 run vs. Eastern Kentucky.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:05 am to nps6724
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I'm 100% against bunting unless A) you absolutely need 1 run (i.e., down 1 or tied in the bottom of the last inning), or B) you have a terrible hitter up with 0 outs and a bunt sets up a good hitter
Exactly. Outs are too precious. The defense WANTS you to bunt. That’s why pitchers are taught to throw it down the middle when a guy squares around. Sure, you want to have a play on where you are able to get the lead runner, but you take the out regardless. Analytics show you are much more likely to have a big inning with guys on 1st and 2nd and no outs than 2nd and 3rd with 1. Granted, I didn’t see the game, so I’m not sure what the exact scenario was here, but giving up outs is usually a bad call.
Didn’t see the Cabrera bunt, but if there were no outs and they had a little shift on and the 3rd baseman was playing back, I could see Cabrera trying to catch him off guard and push one down the 3rd baseline to get the tying runs on base with no outs and your 2,3, 4 hitters up. Bit that may not have been the situation, I don’t know.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:12 am to Hot Carl
Wouldn’t have even been a question if Hampton Gives us three runs there. Hindsight is always 20/10
Posted on 2/22/20 at 6:03 am to TriedandTrue
I was there, it was hard to watch ... on a regular day at the Box, Hampton’s ball leaves the yard.
Late in the game, I didn’t think Cabrera was trying to move the runner over. I believe he was taking a chance trying to bunt for a hit. My immediate thought was WTH but he didn’t square around early and he was peeling off down the line as he offered at it. So I convinced myself he was trying to catching them sleeping and just trying to get on base.
Late in the game, I didn’t think Cabrera was trying to move the runner over. I believe he was taking a chance trying to bunt for a hit. My immediate thought was WTH but he didn’t square around early and he was peeling off down the line as he offered at it. So I convinced myself he was trying to catching them sleeping and just trying to get on base.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 6:06 am to Hot Carl
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That’s why pitchers are taught to throw it down the middle when a guy squares around
That’s not what I was taught.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 6:58 am to LeRoyCorso
They don’t know how to. Have you seen their attempts at bunting in the past seasons?
Embarrassing.
Embarrassing.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:01 am to LeRoyCorso
I agree, also, any good bunt forces the D to make a hurried throw. Which could end up down the RF line. Not trying to beat a dead horse, but PM isn't a great manager of the game. He may be a great guy. But that's not going to win games.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:54 am to TriedandTrue
Just to be clear...when Hampton came up with 2 runners on, no outs, with the weather conditions....my first thought was lay a bunt down, make the D make a play, worst case tying run in scoring position. BUT....if CPM wants to play for the big inning there, let him swing away, I can live with that. You have to think if it dont work, we'll make up those 2 runs later with another chance.
My point is, if your strategy is not to do it early in the game, you for sure dont do it in the 8th...and it wasnt even moving over to tying run. Makes no sense. I watched on TV, didnt notice a shift. But as someone else mentioned, thought Cabrera was heading out the box while trying to lay it down. I didn't think that was the case. So let's say a shift was on, and he was headed out the box....that was wrong approach. Stay in there, push bunt down 3rd base line, then you can crawl to 1st.
It almost seems to me like CPM was aggravated at the fact that he didnt bunt early, or someone was letting him know he should have....so he was gonna prove a point by doing it in a situation that didnt make sense. I really dont think that was the case, but after sleeping on it, I still can't understand what he was thinking.
My point is, if your strategy is not to do it early in the game, you for sure dont do it in the 8th...and it wasnt even moving over to tying run. Makes no sense. I watched on TV, didnt notice a shift. But as someone else mentioned, thought Cabrera was heading out the box while trying to lay it down. I didn't think that was the case. So let's say a shift was on, and he was headed out the box....that was wrong approach. Stay in there, push bunt down 3rd base line, then you can crawl to 1st.
It almost seems to me like CPM was aggravated at the fact that he didnt bunt early, or someone was letting him know he should have....so he was gonna prove a point by doing it in a situation that didnt make sense. I really dont think that was the case, but after sleeping on it, I still can't understand what he was thinking.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:28 am to LeRoyCorso
Let's face it, hitting is not easy, the only thing I would have tried for Hampton to do was hit something hard through the infield or try to sac fly to right by his set up in the box allowing him to go to right even on an inside pitch and that's all easier said than done. Any fly ball to left doesn't advance the runners though. I would have agreed with bunting if Hughes was in Hampton's spot or they pinch hit for Hughes behind Hampton bunting.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:48 am to LeRoyCorso
His name is Paul Mainieri
Posted on 2/22/20 at 2:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
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That’s why pitchers are taught to throw it down the middle when a guy squares around
That’s not what I was taught.
Then either your coach was a dummy or your players sucked. The only time you don’t throw a strike down the middle is if it’s a squeeze and you can’t afford to give up that run so you throw it high and in. Outs are absolutely precious. If the other team is gonna give you a free one, you fricking take it all day.
You bunt guys on 1st and 2nd with no outs over to 2nd and 3rd with 1, they’re just gonna put the next guy on to load the bases, play the middle infielders at double play depth, the corners in, and you are just as likely to get out of that situation with 0 or 1 runs than multiples. I don’t have the percentages in front of me, but (depending on who’s coming up, obviously), you are more likely to score multiple runs with runners on 1st and 2nd and no outs than you are with them at 2nd and 3rd with 1. Hell, you may still be more be likely to score just 1 as well.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 2:27 pm to LeRoyCorso
I was aggravated all night and then the Cabrera bunt attempt pissed me off.
It’s like a toss dive to Fournette on 3rd and 14
It’s like a toss dive to Fournette on 3rd and 14
Posted on 2/22/20 at 2:45 pm to TeddyPadillac
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That’s why pitchers are taught to throw it down the middle when a guy squares around
That’s not what I was taught.
Just curious, what exactly were you taught? And when was this? It could just be that conventional wisdom has changed since then.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 2:48 pm to des4271
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or try to sac fly to right by his set up in the box allowing him to go to right even on an inside pitch
What?
Posted on 2/22/20 at 5:05 pm to Hot Carl
Runners on 1st and 2nd , no outs they would rather a ball hit to the left side of the field, by pitching inside you would most likely induce a ball hit to the left side ( grounder or fly) you get an easy force at 3rd, possible double play or the LF fly out that they got. If you set up on the outside of the box you can still have a chance to hit a pitch on the inside of the plate to the opposite field because you've created space and this enables you a much better chance at advancing at least your lead runner. Just a little cat and mouse, something to try on your first pitch possibly second and then they'll most likely start working the outside of the plate if you stay there.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 5:08 pm to BilboBaggins
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Without the wind tonight that Hampton fly ball could have had a chance
If ifs and buts we're candy and nuts,......
Bunt the damn ball.
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