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re: Tired of the 8-8 comment
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:00 pm to dukke v
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:00 pm to dukke v
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he was better than most on the field,
he was the #1 f'n player in the country!
Yea....that would've went over real well with LSU fans had Miles passed on the #1 player in the country in his own backyard. Jesus...some people will just say anything. 
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Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:00 pm to dukke v
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I watched hinm alot in HS and while he was better than most on the field, He seemed lazy.And when he got here he started getting into all the CRAP, and it had an effect on the whole team cause Miles let him get away with so much.
It's amazing how far you're reaching right now. Just stick with following around Nuts and kabooming people.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:00 pm to dukke v
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Miles replaced Pelini with Co DC'S
Ding Ding Ding. All of this back and forth about the backup and freshman QBs in 08. The offense put up points and yards that year. Obviously there were the 7 pick 6's, but the defense was the main reason we lost 5 games. Who hired the DC or in this case DCs? Yep.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:05 pm to JYD
You're right...none of that other shite affected the team at all. My bad.
hindsight is 20/20....he also hired Pelini and fixed the CO-DCs when it didn't work. But we'll just look past that.
hindsight is 20/20....he also hired Pelini and fixed the CO-DCs when it didn't work. But we'll just look past that.
This post was edited on 7/28/10 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:11 pm to Choctaw
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he was the #1 f'n player in the country! Yea....that would've went over real well with LSU fans had Miles passed on the #1 player in the country in his own backyard. Jesus...some people will just say anything.
seriously lmao. if RP had gone to Texas and we ended up with some 3* guy who didn't pan out great.. holy shite it would be awful.
This post was edited on 7/28/10 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:14 pm to Prominentwon
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What coach would be successful under the circumstances Miles had to endure in '08?
So, he's the only coach in 50 years to lose his QB and DC after winning the NC? I'm not going to go look up which coordinators left which teams after which years' national championships. Teams lose players and coaches every year. I think it's highly unlikely that Miles is the only one who ever lost a coordinator and a QB from a national championship team. He just handled it worse than any other coach has in the last 50 years.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:16 pm to Nuts4LSU
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So, he's the only coach in 50 years to lose his QB and DC after winning the NC? I'm not going to go look up which coordinators left which teams after which years' national championships. Teams lose players and coaches every year. I think it's highly unlikely that Miles is the only one who ever lost a coordinator and a QB from a national championship team. He just handled it worse than any other coach has in the last 50 years.
You're STILL dodging the question. Wow. Typical.
This post was edited on 7/28/10 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:16 pm to ColdDuck
How about 0-6 versus Ole Miss, Alabama, and Florida in that same 2 year stretch. Is that progress? I am tired of hearing it is OK to lose to Bama and Florida since we were suppose to anyway.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:17 pm to drexyl
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A QB getting better with experience is just an old wives tale
Of course not, but kudos on managing not to comprehend a pretty simple idea. QBs can, and do, get better over time. But there's no magical point in time where it just automatically happens to most QBs. It happens at various points in QBs' careers, depending the QBs themselves and the coaches coaching them. Are you seriously vouching for a factual assertion whose basis was "they say"?
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:19 pm to Nuts4LSU
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QBs can, and do, get better over time.
I guess giving LSU QB's time to mature doesn't fit into your agenda.
FWIW, I've heard it said many times by analysts and coaches.
This post was edited on 7/28/10 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:20 pm to peopleschamp
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I am tired of hearing it is OK to lose to Bama and Florida since we were suppose to anyway
Me too!!! oh wait....ive never heard anyone say that. Nevermind.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:21 pm to Choctaw
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You're right...none of that other shite affected the team at all. My bad.
hindsight is 20/20....he also hired Pelini and fixed the CO-DCs when it didn't work. But we'll just look past that.
obviously all of it mattered. everyone i talked to right after hiring the co-DC's wasn't for it. turns out we were right so it's not necessarily hindsight.
I don't know that I would call the defense 'fixed' just yet. It was much improved statistically, but they probably gave up similar yardage to 08, were on the field 2/3 of each of game, and rarely ever forced 3 and outs. maybe this year will be better.
This post was edited on 7/28/10 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:22 pm to Nuts4LSU
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So, he's the only coach in 50 years to lose his QB and DC after winning the NC?
I can guarantee you he is one of few if not the only coach that lost his DC and had to start a 3rd and 4th string QB the year after a NC. But since you're not looking anything up...neither am i.
This post was edited on 7/28/10 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:22 pm to Prominentwon
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You're STILL dodging the question. Wow. Typical.
It's a worthless, stupid-arse question. He just gave the laundry list of Miles excuses and nothing more. It doesn't merit the hours of research to list every team that lost a QB and a coordinator after a national championship. Only someone as brain-dead as you could actually even still be talking about "dodging" such an idiotic question.
Urban Meyer has had easily as much adversity and loss of personnel/coaches/etc., if not more, in this past offseason as Les Miles had after 2007. Let's watch him go 7-5, give up 50+ twice, get blown out at home twice, lose to a 4-7 team and finish the season unranked.
And yes, although it no doubt sailed over your head like everything else, that means Urban Meyer would have had more success than Miles under those circumstances. So would, and so HAS, every other coach who has won a national championship in the last 50 years.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:23 pm to ColdDuck
quote:Uh, NO. LSU wasn't going to drive the ball 70 yards for a TD against Bama's defense with Lee at QB.
1 INT reversal away from 7-
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:25 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Urban Meyer has had easily as much adversity and loss of personnel/coaches/etc., if not more, in this past offseason as Les Miles had after 2007.
Only if Brantley gets hurt.
See what i mean? Every other coach on the face of the earth gets a pass....except for ours. Amazing.
This post was edited on 7/28/10 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:25 pm to Choctaw
I have sadly. It's excused all the time. The Bama and Florida losses are often pointed to as games that we should have lost anyway since those teams were ranked higher than us or were just better. Miles apologist do this frequently. Just pay attention. Those losses are treated as no big deal by them.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:28 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Urban Meyer has had easily as much adversity and loss of personnel/coaches/etc., if not more, in this past offseason as Les Miles had after 2007.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:31 pm to Prominentwon
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I guess giving LSU QB's time to mature doesn't fit into your agenda.
Of course it does. I just don't believe some bullshite fairy tale about some magical chronological point between two specific seasons as the one that always turns things around. Some QBs never develop. Some develop earlier than that. Some later. There's no correlation between that specific point and some unusually high level of improvement, or at least you certainly have not pointed to one.
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FWIW, I've heard it said many times by analysts and coaches.
Jesus Christ. I've heard practically anything and everything said by analysts and coaches. Just last year, I heard a coach say that the OL for the #112 offense in the country was the best in the history of a school that has won multiple national championships just in the last 7 years.
The bottom line is that when a QB isn't doing well, the apologists will always point to whatever season is next for him as the one when "most" QBs "usually" show a lot of improvement. If there's one year that gets mentioned like that (albeit still falsely) more than any other, it's probably the sophomore season. It was said about Jefferson going into 2009 tons of times on this board and by plenty of those hallowed "analysts and coaches".
Jefferson didn't "get it" as a freshman or sophomore. He might as a junior. He might not until he is a senior. Or he might not at all. Neither this year, nor any other particular year, is any magical moment for "most" QBs. Each progresses, or doesn't, at his own pace and the pace at which his coaches bring him along.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:34 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Some QBs never develop.
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RARELY Some develop earlier than that.
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MOST later.
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