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re: Time for an investment: QB
Posted on 3/30/10 at 11:51 am to Ray Ray Rodman
Posted on 3/30/10 at 11:51 am to Ray Ray Rodman
quote:IMO Chavis' defenses won't be dominant.. they may be adequate or even pretty good, but not dominant...
Chavis does not coach that type of defense.
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 11:53 am to RedlandsTiger
quote:isn't this Lee's 4th year, and JJ's 3rd.. and with real game experience to boot.... QBs should be money this year....
Flynn had 4 years to get ready.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 11:55 am to Suntiger
quote:
You can see that the 5* don't always work out. I mean Colt McCoy, Chase Daniels and Sam Bradford were all 3*s. It's hard to project a QBs success and it doesn't help that we don't have a real QB coach and force non option qbs to run the option
Excellent point. Many on TD place way too much emphasis on recruiting and not enough emphasis on development. A star rating is simply a forecast of how good a player is, or how good he may become. Often the difference between 5 star and 3 star can come down to politics. We have seen 3's become 4's just because they sign with a particular school. The way I see it, development is the key component, and we are severely lacking in that area.
Between Lee and Jefferson, Lee was more highly regarded. Neither have been developed AT ALL. The hate for these two guys on TD is sickening. Don't blame them for the lack of coaching they are getting. IMO, both have plenty enough talent to play at a very high level. Blame Crowton and Miles for not getting them there.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 11:59 am to LJBurton
quote:ding ding ding.. we have a winner....
Don't blame them for the lack of coaching they are getting. IMO, both have plenty enough talent to play at a very high level. Blame Crowton and Miles for not getting them there.
I don't hate either guy, i just don't think that either of these guys will ever develop into a solid QB under this coaching staff..
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 3/30/10 at 11:59 am to TiegerTim
quote:
IMO Chavis' defenses won't be dominant.. they may be adequate or even pretty good, but not dominant...
Exactly.
And without a dominant D, we have a have QB that does more than "just manage".
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 3/30/10 at 12:00 pm to TiegerTim
quote:
i just don't think that either of these guys will ever develop into a solid QB under this coaching staff..
prob right, but I still wish we could get a kid like Barkley or Gilbert...
Posted on 3/30/10 at 12:01 pm to Suntiger
quote:
Colt McCoy, Chase Daniels and Sam Bradford were all 3*s
+ 1000
Dan Levevour at Central Michagan was a 2*, etc. I think that QB development has been the most lacking thing we have had for the past 3 years
Posted on 3/30/10 at 12:02 pm to TiegerTim
quote:
I don't hate either guy, i just don't think that either of these guys will ever develop into a solid QB under this coaching staff..
I agree. I hate to see it too. If it hasnt progressed ANY by now, its not going to happen.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 12:13 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:Agree but why don't recruit top flight, elite candidates so they don't have to be "developed" so much, if we don't have a good "developer". Again this comes back to Les Miles and coaching. He should be smart enough to see this.
Recruiting top qb's is not our problem. Development is the problem.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 12:32 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:
Time for an investment: QB
How about investing in a QB coach instead?
Posted on 3/30/10 at 12:38 pm to TexTgrTed
quote:
How about investing in a QB coach instead?
In my LSU pipe dream, that is a component.
I cite the elite QB to somehow mitigate the shitty coaching. JL & JJ would obviously have shown some improvement under the right direction........not really knocking them, rather frustrated with the lack of QB coaching.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 1:28 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:
How about investing in a QB coach instead?
How about investing a quality head coach?
Posted on 3/30/10 at 1:38 pm to CharlesLSU
If you can't run block you throw it. If you can't pass block, you screen em. (Sounding familiar ?). When the screens don't even work, you blame the QB.
We won with the Matt's because of the run game that set up the WR's, whom, were very talented and athletic.
Coaching, coaching, coaching. Not necessarily just the positional improvement but the very basics of block and tackle football.
I know the kids are physically capable.. I mean look at em. Do our kids look meek and mild compared to the other teams ? I think it's to the contrary, our kids look like they can beat your kids into the dirt most of the time.
What's left ? Motivation maybe, who's job is that ?
Fundementals ? - who's job is that ?
For Pete's sake - these kids were the best of the best in HS. did they forget how to line up and knock the snot out of the guy in front of em ?
We need some F'ing testosterone in the coach's offices, MF.
Ok - im done...sorry
We won with the Matt's because of the run game that set up the WR's, whom, were very talented and athletic.
Coaching, coaching, coaching. Not necessarily just the positional improvement but the very basics of block and tackle football.
I know the kids are physically capable.. I mean look at em. Do our kids look meek and mild compared to the other teams ? I think it's to the contrary, our kids look like they can beat your kids into the dirt most of the time.
What's left ? Motivation maybe, who's job is that ?
Fundementals ? - who's job is that ?
For Pete's sake - these kids were the best of the best in HS. did they forget how to line up and knock the snot out of the guy in front of em ?
We need some F'ing testosterone in the coach's offices, MF.
Ok - im done...sorry
Posted on 3/30/10 at 1:42 pm to ccomeaux
quote:
comeaux
No, your very correct!!
Like the one SEC coach said, LSU always looks great on paper...
Another said, LSU always passed the eyeball test.
Meaning they look like world beaters but dont play anything like it.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:21 pm to CharlesLSU
I here Philadelphia is shopping Donovan McNabb around, maybe he'll want to come back to college and play.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:26 pm to BhamTigah
quote:Bingo. But the "minds" (advisedly) wearing rose-colored glasses who are gazing with blind adoration at this coaching staff and the many band-aid hires stuck all over, refuse to accept what you said (quoted above) as fact. To those particular ones (you know who you are) let me paraphrase a bit: It's the QB development, stupid.
Recruiting top qb's is not our problem. Development is the problem. Lee and JJ were both heavily recruited. Lee was an elite 11 QB, who many said was the star of the elite 11 camp.
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:33 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
I think development is the problem as well.
ding, ding!!!
Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:47 pm to CharlesLSU
Even if we signed the #1 high School QB in the country Miles would let him rot on the bench.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:54 pm to windriver
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Even if we signed the #1 high School QB in the country Miles would let him rot on the bench.
Honestly, if you were a big time QB or his parent, would you really want to come to LSU and play under Miles?
Honestly?
I love LSU and I am grooming my son to be a die hard LSU fan but I wouldnt want him playing under Miles if he was a 4 or 5 star recruit.
(See pic below from Spring Game, so you know I'm not lying)
Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:54 pm to back9Tiger
I think RP probably scared off some elite QBs who wanted to play early, so I can understand us not being all that deep at that position for a year or 2. However, our QB situation coupled with all the elite WR talent we have either here or coming with the '10 and '11 classes, should be attractive enough to land us an elite QB in this next class. Especially if Zach Lee doesn't come.
And to those of you who said "Bama didn't need____, blah, blah, blah" we are not Bama. Geographically, we are able to land sick talent at the skill positions, and to be the absolute best team we can be, we need a QB capable of getting them the ball. Brandon Lafell is one of the best receivers to ever play at LSU, and his final 2 years were somewhat wasted because we didn't have a QB who could consistently get him the ball.
And to those of you who said "Bama didn't need____, blah, blah, blah" we are not Bama. Geographically, we are able to land sick talent at the skill positions, and to be the absolute best team we can be, we need a QB capable of getting them the ball. Brandon Lafell is one of the best receivers to ever play at LSU, and his final 2 years were somewhat wasted because we didn't have a QB who could consistently get him the ball.
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