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re: This is why JJ will start and play the entire season...........
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:15 pm to chilge1
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:15 pm to chilge1
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You're gonna get slammed, but I concur. For all the people running around with their 4 - 14 talk, Simon made some plays on the ball that no other DB in the conference could have made...
I'm a JJ supporter, well really a supporter of whoever is the QB, but Reid (IIRC) made a couple of nice breakups on Mett passes too that would've been long gainers.
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Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Miles has stated that experience is a factor. JJ will start.
Dually noted and I've accepted this as fact. But as you said, it is A factor, rather than THE faster as the poster claimed. Miles would not play Jefferson ahead of Mett or anyone else if he was not improving under Krags (relative to the others) and if the other QBs had the same knowledge of the playbook which Jefferson possesses.
Experience + Ability + Capability
You can't isolate any of those issues and claim that one should be valued ahead of a combination of the three.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:20 pm to chilge1
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Experience + Ability + Capability
Experience + agility gives JJ the edge, and the start vs Oregon. I don't think anyone believes Mettenberger will start vs Oregon, and we haven't even started fall practice.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:20 pm to MFn GIMP
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I'm a JJ supporter, well really a supporter of whoever is the QB, but Reid (IIRC) made a couple of nice breakups on Mett passes too that would've been long gainers.
And that speaks highly of our secondary, it's not an indictment on the QBs. Take away Mett's long TD bomb, and he has moderate stats at best.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:21 pm to chilge1
Ok how about I break down my OP like this:
the reason that JJ will start is because Miles said so and he is the head coach.
Now you can call me stupid, dumb, Glen Guilbeau, whatever you want.
the reason that JJ will start is because Miles said so and he is the head coach.
Now you can call me stupid, dumb, Glen Guilbeau, whatever you want.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:21 pm to Jaydeaux
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the ONLY reason the guy will play is b/c he's a senior is lame
Lame and disproven time after time after time, but that doesn't stop the BS being posted and posted and posted. Some seem ok with that, but not calling the it out...go figure.
In fact, JL actually has more time in the program than JJ now and when JJ was asked to step in during his true Fr season and retained the job on JL's return.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:23 pm to RealityTiger
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the reason that [insert athlete here] will start is because [insert head coach here] said so and he is the head coach.
Thank you for a meaningful contribution.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:24 pm to chilge1
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Take away Mett's long TD bomb, and he has moderate stats at best.
Yeah, take away the rest of his completions and he had a shitty day.
Makes no sense.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:25 pm to chilge1
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Thank you for a meaningful contribution.
Well shite man, what more do you want? You can break down and over analyze it, but it is what it is. You and that other asshat get all mad and demanding and shite like you want people to word the answer exactly the way you want it to be.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yeah, take away the rest of his completions and he had a shitty day.
Man, I'm not even speaking against Mett. The dude has a cannon for an arm and could be the best QB we've had since JR. He certainly has the potential for it.
I'm making a point to stat-mongers.
A RB can put up 82 yards on 14 carries, but if one of those was an 80 yard scamper, would you say he had a consistently productive game as a whole?
Stats never tell the entire story, as they are often manipulated to serve the interests of whoever interprets them. My point is that JJ's body language, form, footwork, and decision-making was evidently better than last year after just four weeks under Krags.
HIs experience as a starting QB, his running ability, most importantly, his newfound work ethic, and his continued development under a legitimate QB coach determine his status as the coach. The simple act of being a senior does not.
JJ will start, but there are immensely more factors involved than the number of years he has been in Baton Rouge.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:36 pm to Bobby Moore
If "The Kreg" can improve all of JJ's quarterback shortcomings we'll next ask him to solve world hunger.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:38 pm to RealityTiger
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Well shite man, what more do you want? You can break down and over analyze it, but it is what it is. You and that other asshat get all mad and demanding and shite like you want people to word the answer exactly the way you want it to be.
Yes, it is what it is. Miles plays Jefferson because he gives us the best chance to win. His class is a component of that, not the determining factor.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:38 pm to chilge1
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A RB can put up 82 yards on 14 carries, but if one of those was an 80 yard scamper, would you say he had a consistently productive game as a whole?
Are you saying it wasn't a productive day? Why do you want to remove one play? Makes no sense whatsoever. Mett is clearly the most gifted passer.
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Stats never tell the entire story, as they are often manipulated to serve the interests of whoever interprets them. My point is that JJ's body language, form, footwork, and decision-making was evidently better than last year after just four weeks under Krags.
We will see.
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HIs experience as a starting QB, his running ability, most importantly, his newfound work ethic, and his continued development under a legitimate QB coach determine his status as the coach. The simple act of being a senior does not.
His experience is a huge factor.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Are you saying it wasn't a productive day? Why do you want to remove one play? Makes no sense whatsoever. Mett is clearly the most gifted passer.
Statistically? Sure. But when the RB fails to break the plane on four tries from the one yard line, and consistently fails to pick up 3rd downs... that colors things differently.
Particularly when you're using this performance as a judgment of a player's overall capacity. I'm going to look at the 13 times than the guy went into the line and got stuffed rather than the one time he broke it big.
One play says nothing about a player.
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His experience is a huge factor.
It's a huge factor and the reason that I personally feel the most comfortable starting him against Oregon. But the poster didn't even refer to experience in the criteria, but rather to status.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:52 pm to Bobby Moore
Let's just say I am skeptical. I know Krag will improve the QB play, but how much is yet to be seen. I expect we'll move it up and down the field much better, but I still see problems in the red zone. Sure JJ can run some in and the threat may open up the pass a bit, but those 3rd and goal passes have to have a zip and accuracy that I don't think JJ possesses. I still want JJ and Mett to split time.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:54 pm to DocBugbear
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I still want JJ and Mett to split time.
I am positive that LSU will need two QB's this fall.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 1:02 pm to chilge1
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But the poster didn't even refer to experience in the criteria, but rather to status.
When I said JJ is a senior, I meant that his having been at LSU for 3 full years and starting for two years, knowing the playbook, having been knocked around in live situations, having won some games, lost some games....the whole thing, means he is starting over what seems to be a very promising (for next year) Mett.
I figured that I didn't have to spell every little thing out, but apparently I do.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 1:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Why does no one (including myself until this point) blame Whatshisface Gonzales, our "Passing Game Coordinator"?
Posted on 4/26/11 at 1:09 pm to Bobby Moore
name a mediocre player who has had a ton of playing time and who suddenly just came out one year and was a new player the next?
Posted on 4/26/11 at 1:12 pm to bojabu
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Why does no one (including myself until this point) blame Whatshisface Gonzales, our "Passing Game Coordinator"?
I don't think any of us know his exact role, or how much influence he really has.
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