re: This is what a program in decline looks and feels like...

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Just because I ate top ramen in college doesn't mean I don't care if my steak is overcooked now.

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Programs in decline win their conference the previous season? Then go on to a 10 win season?

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A 10 win season this year means so little. There were more than 20 teams this year that were at the 10 win level prior to this week. By the end of bowl season there will be even more. So, congrats, 1 SEC title in six years, 1 SEC west division title in 6 years, and in the 10 win club with about a fifth of the FBS. Big whoop.

Texas played in an NCG in 2009. Auburn won one in 2010. Oklahoma State was a a few plays and some weird voting from one last year. Where are those programs now?

Things can change fast in college football if you get complacent, and LSU is complacent.

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Only will get worse with top recruits starting to stay away.

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Kill yourself

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The program is stagnant. It's stagnant at a good level, but it's not a championship program. For some that's fine

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Go ask Nebraska fans how it turns out for you when you fire a coach after going 9-3 because that's not the "championship level you demand." They fired Frank Solich and went out and tried to make a homerun hire with an NFL coach who would bring in a new high powered NFL offense to replace the tired, 70s era power running offense. Bill Callahan proceeded to make that program a joke and they are still trying to recover today.

Look, I'm as frustrated about the loss as anyone but and yes some improvements need to be made (on both sides of the ball) before next season, but the program is not in decline. The sky is not falling. Going off your steak analogy, this season is the equivalent of asking for your steak to be cooked perfectly to a medium rare and getting it slightly more toward medium. Do you complain and ask for a new steak? Probably, but you don't demand the chef be fired because the steak wasn't exactly up to your demanding standards.

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Go frick yourselves you bunch of stupid fricking pussies!!!

We have 34 wins the past three seasons, best in the entire history of LSU Football, tying the record of 2005-2007.

Seriously, eat AIDS dicks and die in a fire!!

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Oh, I see it's still Christmas vacation for the junior and senior high schools. Sunshine pumping and name calling at its finest.

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Go ask Nebraska fans how it turns out for you when you fire a coach after going 9-3 because that's not the "championship level you demand." They fired Frank Solich and went out and tried to make a homerun hire with an NFL coach who would bring in a new high powered NFL offense to replace the tired, 70s era power running offense. Bill Callahan proceeded to make that program a joke and they are still trying to recover today.

Look, I'm as frustrated about the loss as anyone but and yes some improvements need to be made (on both sides of the ball) before next season, but the program is not in decline. The sky is not falling. Going off your steak analogy, this season is the equivalent of asking for your steak to be cooked perfectly to a medium rare and getting it slightly more toward medium. Do you complain and ask for a new steak? Probably, but you don't demand the chef be fired because the steak wasn't exactly up to your demanding standards.

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I don't recall saying anywhere in there I want to see Miles fired. I'd like to see the entire offensive staff replaced, and a new DB coach, and I'd like Miles to relinquish any play-calling duties he might currently have.

But even if he was fired, a coaching change isn't a death knell. You mention Nebraska. How about Ohio State going from Tressel to Urban? Florida going from Urban to Muschamp and bouncing back to an 11 win regular season in only 2 years? Stanford going from Harbaugh to Shaw and staying right at the same level? Oregon going from good under Belloti to outstanding under Kelly?

I don't think he will be fired though, but LSU will slowly decline relatively as programs like Tennessee, Auburn, and Ole Miss rebound and it gets harder to win week after week. Offensive recruits will look elsewhere because they know they won't get a chance to shine at LSU. We will slip to 7 or 8 win a year status, and eventually a change will happen, years later than it should, and a new coach will have to rebuild the program and convince recruits that LSU is where they want to be all over again.

To complete the steak analogy, if I kept going to that restaurant and they kept giving me steak cooked incorrectly, I'd probably quit going there. Which is close to where I am with LSU football right now.

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We've been playing shitty football since 2008.

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On offense.

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I don't recall saying anywhere in there I want to see Miles fired. I'd like to see the entire offensive staff replaced, and a new DB coach, and I'd like Miles to relinquish any play-calling duties he might currently have. But even if he was fired, a coaching change isn't a death knell. You mention Nebraska. How about Ohio State going from Tressel to Urban? Florida going from Urban to Muschamp and bouncing back to an 11 win regular season in only 2 years? Stanford going from Harbaugh to Shaw and staying right at the same level? Oregon going from good under Belloti to outstanding under Kelly? I don't think he will be fired though, but LSU will slowly decline relatively as programs like Tennessee, Auburn, and Ole Miss rebound and it gets harder to win week after week. Offensive recruits will look elsewhere because they know they won't get a chance to shine at LSU. We will slip to 7 or 8 win a year status, and eventually a change will happen, years later than it should, and a new coach will have to rebuild the program and convince recruits that LSU is where they want to be all over again. To complete the steak analogy, if I kept going to that restaurant and they kept giving me steak cooked incorrectly, I'd probably quit going there. Which is close to where I am with LSU football right now.

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Very well said!

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I'll spot you the horrible job during the BCSCG last year, but he was not outcoached or schooled last night. Mett overthrew Boone on a bomb when he was wide open, overthrew Landry on the infamous 2nd and 2 play, and the OL was completely whipped in the 1st Quarter. You guys want to keep talking about how bad the offense was, but it was the defense that once again couldn't get off the field. This was especially true in the 4th Quarter.

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Quarterbacks are not perfect, and sometimes make bad throws. Especially first year quarterbacks who spend the whole game eating sacks and feeling pressure. If your plan to win a game depends on your quarterback never missing a pass then you need a better plan.

The O-Line had a lot of problems, which is why the solution is to change the play-calling to more shotgun, more 1 step drops, more screens, more runs inside the crashing DE that make him pay for being too aggressive in coming around. You put the TE on the right and have him chip, you keep the RB back and have him chip. You change your scheme, you don't just keep calling the same stupid fricking plays that get your QB eaten alive.

And the defense held one of the top offenses in the FBS to 13 points over 3 quarters. They spent 12 of the 15 minutes in the 4th quarter on the field. They played more than 100 snaps, twice what they would see in a normal game. They were fricking tired, and they were fricking tired because whenever they DID get Clemson off the field the offense let Clemson right back on about a minute later.

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They spent 12 of the 15 minutes in the 4th quarter on the field

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Yeah, right after our Offense had dominated the 3rd Quarter. Then Clemson started sustaining long drives where our Defense couldn't stop them. Hell, on the last drive we had them in 4th and 16! I think that during pregame you tell a coach, "hey, we can just jump straight to about 1 minute to go with the other team facing 4th and 16 with you up 2 pts, if you want to take that risk" any coach would take that risk. We had them wobbling on the ropes and let them land a counter punch right on the chin. They then landed a haymaker with the FG. If the defense holds on that 4th down, we aren't having these conversations today.