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re: This is basically what I've been saying for around a month.

Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:14 am to
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:14 am to
quote:

bfniii



I kicked your arse in this thread.

Night, buddy.
Posted by Cincinnati Bowtie
Sparta
Member since May 2008
11951 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 3:00 am to
I thought CPM was about to have a Stroke when Robertson's bunt barely got past the dirt and the lead runner was thrown out at 3rd base. His face got so red and he had veins popping out on his forehead.
Wonder what kind of toll this season is having on his health.
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
1643 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 6:34 am to
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The biggest mistake LSU fans make is thinking we should be dominating like the 90's. That WILL never happen for any program ever again. Should Mainieri have at least made a CWS final in that stretch? Hell yes, but stop fricking comparing him to Skip, it makes you look like a fool.


I didn't read all 6 pages of this, but I had to stop when I got right here with this one.
This line of thinking drives me bananas. Yes, there are fans that compare every coach to Skip, but to use that angle as as defense for Paul's shortcomings is even worse.

LSU's lack of postseason success is squarely on his shoulders. Fantastic that we talk about being a Super host every year love it, but where has it gotten this team the last 8 years? There are no dog piles for hosting Supers, there are no dog piles for going 1-2 or 0-2 in the CWS. His programs lack of success when it matters the most is ALL him, not the fans, not the players, it's ALL him. 8 years of it and it's time to recognize it for what it is.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
72394 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 6:57 am to
I've said multiple times in this thread that Paul deserves blame and needs to get his shite together. Hell, I said as much in the post you quoted.

But as this thread proved, there are people that think LSU should be in Omaha every year and other people that don't realize that Paul's postseason record is level or better than most of the good coach's in the game today. This board has proved time and again that people actually don't know anything about college baseball outside of LSU.

My point this whole time is that the state of LSU baseball needs to improve, but it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
1643 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:15 am to
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My point this whole time is that the state of LSU baseball needs to improve, but it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.


I can agree with that.

I was coaching little leauge baseball most of the day, then at the game last night with my youngster, so my day was full and came across this thread this morning.

Like mentioned, I didn't read all 6 pages, but stopped on about page 3 with yours, and it just struck me in a bad way.

I'm not a happy fan with where the program has been the last 5/6 years, where it is right now, or where it seems to be headed. I don't see this team making a deep run and don't have a ton of optimism for 2018 either.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
17922 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:31 am to
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I kicked your arse in this thread.


You having to say this is proof that you didn't. And after reading the exchange, you didn't.
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18818 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:32 am to
Uh huh but how about when the bases get walked full and the pitcher is struggling? Don't you send Watson up there after telling him to look fast ball until you get two strikes? You know the guy has to groove a fastball, and he did. Stuff like that drives me crazy but i know baseball guy thinks no one else knows baseball
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
72394 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:32 am to
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You having to say this is proof that you didn't.



I kicked your arse in this thread too.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
17922 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:35 am to
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there are people that think LSU should be in Omaha every year


LSU baseball should be elite every year. Omaha=elite. While I think fans are more forgiving than you realize when they don't make it, it still IS a disappointment.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
72394 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:36 am to
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LSU baseball should be elite every year


No program is elite every year.

That's just an unrealistic expectation.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
17922 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:47 am to
Say that to CPM. His coaching has been spotty lately but I guarantee he knows what the expectations are. You think he's wrong?
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:54 am to
What has happened with manieri is exactly what happened with miles

He lost a significant portion of the fan base. The battle lines have been drawn. Those that hate manieri can never be brought back. Even with a championship. Slowly over time more and more will move over to the dark side until the hatred is too great for even Alleva to ignore. It might take 7 years but it will happen
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
72394 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:55 am to
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I guarantee he knows what the expectations are. You think he's wrong?



Yes.

With the 11.7 scholarships, plus the way a good recruiting class can get pillaged by the draft, the expectation to make it to Omaha every year is a ridiculous one to hold.

For example, last year's team had no business even sniffing a national seed, let alone Omaha considering that amount of talent they lost. This year, the expectation should and is Omaha and Mainieri will deserve criticism if this team doesn't make it, just like he deserves the criticism for how inconsistent this veteran team has been up to this point.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
17922 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 8:00 am to
Cool-I'll let him know he should expect less of his teams.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
72394 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 8:01 am to
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Cool-I'll let him know he should expect less of his teams.



Ok, I have his home address if you want it.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29497 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 8:23 am to
By OP logic, Les Miles should never have been fired. Had the players executed properly, we'd never have lost a game.
Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
27750 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 8:36 am to
Well then who hired the coaches to recruit the players? That would be CPM
Posted by SofaKingTrill
Member since Mar 2008
6963 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 8:51 am to
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What exactly is a degree of success commensurate with LSU baseball? 5 CWS titles in 10 years

Winning more than one game in Omaha over an 8 year period.
Posted by LSU_USMC
Virginia
Member since Sep 2005
353 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 8:52 am to
Maybe the team overachieved last year and this year it's back down to earth? I think maybe there's some truth in everyone's viewpoint. BUT since it wasn't done:

quote:

1. should miles have been fired? YES OR NO 2. why don't teams like tcu, florida, vandy, etc, have to resort to the silly "national seed" claim? why can they make BETTER claims? 3. mainieri isn't even top 5 in cws wins over the last 7 seasons. why are you ok with that? 4. who is directly responsible for the health of the program? 5. how can something be an accomplishment when you didn't directly control the outcome? let's see if you have the guts to answer these questions


1. Yep
2. Vandy doesn't necessarily count right? Don't they have a scholarship advantage? TCU, Florida I have no idea. It seems everyone's record at Omaha is comparable.
3. I'm not ok with it given a couple of the teams he's had there to compete with. We should've had better showings. Maybe we blew our wad in the SEC tourney...
4. Directly - CPM. Indirectly - JA
5. Good point to a point. National seedings ARE an accomplishment, but I think what you're saying is that the accomplishment is diluted because there is a "selection" or voting as there are usually more than 8 teams worth a seed.
Posted by LSUTIGERS8181
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2012
10141 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:29 am to
You literally are still riding his dick
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