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Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:35 pm to
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:35 pm to
There’s not only the predictions, there’s the standardized talent evals which put us in the top 5-6 of the league. There’s the season data points with certain player combinations and certain position adjustments. So it’s not just the scouting, there’s production samples to support what I’m saying. Where as your argument is “it’s gotta be everyone else’s fault” and your reasoning is just that you don’t want it to be.
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:36 pm to
My reason is that they can’t fricking score. Nobody shoots well enough to win a game
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:38 pm to
Shooting comes from space and ball movement. Better shots create better percentages which creates more help, more offensive rebounding which gets back to even more space.
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:39 pm to
Hopefully they will fire him if we find out that he can’t get good players to play for him and we won’t have to argue if it’s his scheme or the roster
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:41 pm to
quote:

We were predicted to be favored in 2 sec games . That prediction was made after non conference though I believe.


LSU was picked to finish 8th in the league. It was only after KenPom had enough data of just how poorly coached this team was that the prediction came out.

Change sports. In the 2022 NFL draft LSU football was second only to UGA in player’s drafted. Yet, LSU was a .500 team.

In 2022 LSU football had a WORSE roster. Picked to finish 5th or 6th in the West alone…they won the division. Why? Coaching matters! That 2021 team didn’t go 6-6 because they had no talent. It’s because their coach was awful. The 2022 team didn’t perform well because they had so many more good players than in 2021. It’s because they had a competent HC.

McMahon had the lowest preseason expectations in 6 years….and he’s falling pathetically short of even reaching those!
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:42 pm to
I don’t even see anyone but kj hit open threes .

I think he’s got to start over from scratch basically. The freshman may stay but besides that , I don’t think anyone would win with these guys.

It’s on the coach wether it’s his roster or scheme so it really doesn’t matter which one it is
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:42 pm to
Why can’t we get KJ open in pick and pops anymore? Because nobody even has to hedge on our point guards. Hill dribbles around for 25 seconds because nobody has to guard him. Juice Williams the same. What’s worse is sometimes he’ll have those guards with Hannibal and Fountain which puts 3 non shooters out there. And people wonder why Miller is quick chucking every chance he gets and KJ can’t get the ball? It’s very simple, McMahon doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Posted by FriscoTiger
Frisco, TX
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:43 pm to
Give him our 20-21 roster and he makes it to at least the sweet 16.
He will be fine if he can get the right players from the transfer portal.
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
32135 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:43 pm to
Maybe a different coach would get the players in better spot to brick their three
Lol
That’s what it feels like you’re saying
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 10:45 pm
Posted by BasilBogomil
Member since Dec 2012
6156 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:45 pm to
It’s bad basketball. The players are not great, but the coaching is putrid.

I’ll check back in on the recruiting at some point but I’m not holding my breath.
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:48 pm to
I just see the lazy passes and the open missed threes and find it hard to believe that anyone could do much with that. You may be right , maybe we have the players to play better but I don’t think he ever had a chance with these guys.

Not to mention the fact that the guys were playing pretty decent early when they played a good opponent, so it’s like we have bad coaching and bad players who aren’t even trying and have zero confidence.

I guess that’s all on the coach
I’m agreeing with that . I just don’t think they are as good as you do.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 10:50 pm
Posted by Tigerguru96
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:48 pm to
Shut up
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66642 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:48 pm to
If you don’t understand that space, rhythm and movement directly effects shooting pct then you just don’t know basic basketball. Nobody just stands around, chunks up shots and they go in. It’s not Xbox.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 10:49 pm
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
32135 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:50 pm to
I agree with you. I’m just saying I don’t think they would be good against air

It’s almost like it’s impossible to evaluate the coach when the players are so bad
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 10:52 pm
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
32135 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:52 pm to
In other words I agree I just think you lean too hard in one direction when it comes to blame
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66642 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:53 pm to
Ah good point, Wake Forest, what happened? Juice had twisted his ankle and Hayes was backing up Hill at point. We were down 20 in that game then Cam came in, got the ball moving on time and the pace picked up. Hill was back in the second half but was pulled with about 9 mins and Cam brought us home with a 13 point, 6 assist, 5 rebound effort off the bench. Same against Arky, Hill was pulled with 7 minutes left and Hannibal took over with 19. Obvious examples, Hayes at PG1 and Hannibal as the 6th man and PG2. But that never happened because McMahon isn’t good enough for this level.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66642 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:55 pm to
You can’t say everyone is wrong just because you want it to be true. The scouts and the data aren’t wrong and it can’t be everyone else’s fault just because you don’t wanna look in the one place it’s obvious.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 10:55 pm
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
32135 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:55 pm to
Look at justice williams tonight for example. He was so bad that he had to be benched immediately and he had us in a whole That directly impacted us in the loss . The stuff he did was stuff you can’t coach out of someone really. He was just lazy with the ball and effort.

He started him because hill had been terrible.
That’s a lose lose situation
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
32135 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:56 pm to
What are you talking about? I just said I agree that he’s a bad coach
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
32135 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:57 pm to
What data? The data says that every power 5 transfer we have never started a game before lsu
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