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re: Things I learned from the trip to Houston and this season.

Posted on 1/1/16 at 3:28 pm to
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
4947 posts
Posted on 1/1/16 at 3:28 pm to
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LSU is not a national powerhouse, not in the strictest sense. We are a GOOD program, that has been able to compete historically, but not the first school some casual fan in Wyoming would call the pinnacle. We don't have the history of Alabama, Ohio St, Michigan, Oklahoma, USC.


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But we haven't caught Alabama, not to where we can say we can beat them at their best.


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Does anyone outside of local homer fans think it will change? No.


Our fanbase is riddled with illogical self-loathing. It's flabbergasting. There is so much wrong with these fatalistic sentiments that I don't even know where to begin critiquing them.

First, history is immaterial. Useless. Irrelevant. Historical performance is not and cannot be the proper baseline for future potential of a program. Two anecdotes should suffice to prove this beyond dispute. Prior to the 1970s, Florida State was a dreg of college football. They had little or no success. If you were to apply your historical paradigm to FSU in the 1970s, one would predict that FSU could never attain national prominence. Of course, the very opposite happened. Bowden came in and began exploiting the exploding population and shifting demographics of Florida. FSU became a juggernaut. Similary, the Florida Gators enjoyed modest success at best in the SEC prior to 1990 and the arrival of Spurrier. A historical analysis would have concluded that the Gators should continue their mediocre trajectory. Instead, they dominated the SEC for a full decade and have won three NCs in the last twenty years. Oregon is a more recent example of the same phenomenon: a historically bad team that has risen to prominence. There are others.

Historical standing is not a meaningful predictor of future success. Period. It's largely inapposite.

So what is the right gauge of a program's potential? It should be fairly obvious to anyone that the potential of a CFB program hinges on its facilities, the resources and revenue that it can commit to the football team, and its natural recruiting base. By those standards, LSU damn well is elite. We now have incredible facilities, including the most revered stadium in the nation. Our AD is very profitable. For example, LSU FB was ranked as the fourth most valuable program in the nation by Forbes. And there can be no doubt about the fertility of our recruiting base. We are the sole power in a state that produces ample NFL talent. We are immediately adjacent to the goldmine of Texas. And our recruiting tendrils extend into Alabama, Mississipi, Goergia, and Florida. An ESPN writer recently ranked LSU as the fifth easiest place to recruit in the country (ahead of Bama, I should note).

So by any objective standard, LSU has elite potential.

But potential isn't enough. You have to actualize it. In the realm of cfb, the catalyst that transforms potential into championship results is...coaching. There is no sport in which a coach has more of an impact on results. He controls every aspect of the team, from personnel (recruiting) to scheme to staff to philosophy to discipline. Given equal resources, the best coach wins.

In short - and this shouldn't be a revelation to anyone with functioning synapses - the best CFB programs in any era are those with elite facilities, monetary resources, robust recruiting, and elite coaching. This is borne out time and time again.

To wit, let's consider Alabama. You argue that we haven't "caught" Bama, as if they possess some inherent advantage over LSU. Balderdash. The ONLY reason they are stockpiling championships while we languish is because they have better coaching. If the staffs were reversed, we would be sitting on a hoard of trophies instead. In the first half of the 2000s, when we had the superior coaches, we dominated Bama. They have no native advantage. Rather, they have simply been more aggressive in pursuing elite coaches and making bold hires. They wooed Saban from the NFL and are reaping the rewards.

You further argue that the current heirarchy of the SEC is immutable. More timid defeatism. Of course it can change. It will change the minute that LSU has an elite coach. Once LSU weds its facilties and natural recruiting base to a brilliant coach, it can and will become a championship dynasty. There is no logical reason that LSU can't be an annual powerhouse and win multiple championships in abbreviated windows of time. We just need an exceptional - not merely good - coach.

In summary, LSU is elite and can dominate the SEC given the right staff.
This post was edited on 1/1/16 at 3:45 pm
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
54573 posts
Posted on 1/1/16 at 3:28 pm to
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LSU is not a national powerhouse, not in the strictest sense. We are a GOOD program, that has been able to compete historically, but not the first school some casual fan in Wyoming would call the pinnacle. We don't have the history of Alabama, Ohio St, Michigan, Oklahoma, USC.




This is such a stupid and meaningless designation.
This post was edited on 1/1/16 at 3:29 pm
Posted by GoldenToe
houston, texas
Member since Jan 2013
4 posts
Posted on 1/1/16 at 3:42 pm to
Let me just say next time do some homework before you visit. I've lived in Houston 15 years now and find it hard to believe that you stayed across the street because of past experience, nobody stays across from NRG Stadium because of past experience. Second, I live farther from NRG than the place I stay at when I travel to Death Valley for the games by 10 miles yet I get home 30-45 minutes faster. Know where you are, where you're going, and how to get back
Posted by kwtiger70
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
858 posts
Posted on 1/1/16 at 3:45 pm to
How did LSU end up in such a mediocre bowl with a crappy opponent while Tenn is playing on new year's day vs a top 15 opponent?
This post was edited on 1/1 at 11:21 am


I would argue LSU.didn t do so bad. We had a prime time game in a great NFL stadium that had great implications for recruiting and the fan base and was probably seen by way more people than the New Years game you re complaining about shown at the crack of dawn on ESPN2 for gods sake Some people bitch about every thing. Look at the bright side.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 1/1/16 at 4:42 pm to
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Yeah those shite top 15 finishes. God I hate our entitled fans.



Getting blown out 3 games in a row, playing a 7-5 team in a dec 29th bowl, and the whole Miles is getting fired fiasco is a shite season.

Top 15 is not very impressive considering the talent we have.
Posted by NoNameTiger
Mandeville, LA
Member since Nov 2015
2054 posts
Posted on 1/1/16 at 7:53 pm to
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you? Are you saying that mcneese would have beat us?


No but the game was cancelled and we only won 9.

All these people saying we really won 10 games are just stupid. No matter how likely a win vs McNeese would have been, the game wasn't played so WE DIDNT WIN IT!!!
Posted by ianfson1
Houston
Member since Aug 2009
992 posts
Posted on 1/1/16 at 9:11 pm to
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the root of all things for LSU fans, Alabama sucess. We will always compare LSU to Alabama and fall short.


Really, the root of all things?? Do you really believe fans would be that upset had we only lost to Alabama on the road and beat Arkansas and Ole Miss??
Posted by dljtigers
Sulphur, LA
Member since Feb 2012
1877 posts
Posted on 1/1/16 at 9:23 pm to
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The team will have some big weaknesses next year that prevent us from winning a championship. That seems a pretty safe prediction. And no, we didn't win 10 games this year.


We need a lot of improvement on the DL especially against the run (Bama and Ark. will beat us again if we don't get it). If Beckwith leaves the DL becomes even more important.

If Harris starts next year we need at least 10 QB runs per game when we play--Bama, Ole Miss, Ark.)

We need to put LF and Guice on the field 2/3 of the time together.

Then maybe sweet baby Jesus we can be on top again.
Posted by dljtigers
Sulphur, LA
Member since Feb 2012
1877 posts
Posted on 1/1/16 at 9:39 pm to
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To wit, let's consider Alabama. You argue that we haven't "caught" Bama, as if they possess some inherent advantage over LSU. Balderdash. The ONLY reason they are stockpiling championships while we languish is because they have better coaching. If the staffs were reversed, we would be sitting on a hoard of trophies instead. In the first half of the 2000s, when we had the superior coaches, we dominated Bama. They have no native advantage. Rather, they have simply been more aggressive in pursuing elite coaches and making bold hires. They wooed Saban from the NFL and are reaping the rewards.


You gotta kind of agree with this. Look, Saban brought in Kiffin and we all thought that it might be a bad move. Looking at Bama's offense since he has gotten their you have to be impressed.

Bama's offense has improved and gets better as season has progressed. Same with Defense.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21929 posts
Posted on 1/1/16 at 9:41 pm to
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LSU is not a national powerhouse, not in the strictest sense. We are a GOOD program, that has been able to compete historically, but not the first school some casual fan in Wyoming would call the pinnacle. We don't have the history of Alabama, Ohio St, Michigan, Oklahoma, USC.



This is such a stupid and meaningless designation.

if you say so, I just disagree. LSU (and Auburn, Tennessee etc) are at the next rung down from very top, historically. Can be very good, can even win national titles. But even at their best, if matched against an Alabama at it's best, we tend to fall just short.

We ARE above the next tier teams in most other major conferences; we are higher than (for example) UCLA/Oregon/Washington/Stanford in the Pac 12, we're above Wisconsin in the Big 10, etc.

You might think it's a meaningless designation, but what is the lifeblood of college athletics? Money. We can't match the financial contributions of the teams I listed as ahead of us: Alabama, Ohio St, USC, Oklahoma, etc. Maybe on some level of official budget, yes... but not the gray market donors, and the big pocket alumni.
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