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re: The will wade whining is ridiculous

Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:35 am to
Posted by sta4ever
The Pit
Member since Aug 2014
15178 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:35 am to
It’s just so ironic whenever our fanbase gives Will Wade a pass for throwing players under the bus and not taking responsibility for the loss last night, and then the second Mainieri says anything close to that, the fanbase thinks it’s an awful thing for Mainieri to throw players under the bus, and he should be fired.

So why does Will Wade get a pass?
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18138 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:35 am to
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Do you remember what the defense was like pre-Will Wade?

merely comparing Wade to Johnny Jones isn't the correct measuring stick. Jones was horrific in nearly every way.

Even so, other posters have posted stats that show Jones' defense was better than Wade's.
Posted by GeauxGutsy
Member since Jul 2017
4716 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:37 am to
I’ll give him two more seasons at the most
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
23416 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:40 am to
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Losing 4 out of 5 must be like Christmas for you


No. I realized that my disdain was not for Wade, but for the segment of his fan base that had this odd, over-the-top worship of him.

The losses have settled down that element of his fan base. With most LSU fans now having realistic expectations, it is easy to appreciate Wade's coaching and recruiting.

Is he a perfect coach? Of course not. Is he an excellent coach? Yes.
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:53 am to
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Average defensive efficiency rating under Jones (six years)

106 (and that INCLUDES his final year where the team quit and LSU finished 280)

Average defensive efficiency rating under Wade (three years)

126


This! All day, every day.

He can recruit. But he has a severe deficiency at coaching defense, which is basically effort.
The proof is that there are several teams with LESS talent that hold the same teams to fewer points.
Posted by OSTiger77
Ocean Springs
Member since Nov 2017
1700 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:07 am to
Defense boils down to effort, talent, and coaching. When their offensive players are quicker and more talented penetration occurs and defense collapses then you give up easy 3s. When you play off to avoid blow bys, you give up 3s. We need quicker guards and a rim protector.

A coach can only do so much but there is a lack of effort at times with poor execution. Taylor loves to go under screens and give up 3s. That is poor coaching.

My point is it’s a combination of things but you can’t easily bench someone for our effort when you’re bench is 2 deep.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56299 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:15 am to
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Here's a great idea. COACH YOUR TEAM. SHOW THEM HOW TO PLAY DEFENSE.
He does, they do it all the time. Then they just quit doing it. We have no leaders on the team. And then again 7 straight 3s is hard to defend.

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nobody in america passes the buck more than this guy.

must have missed Calipari.
Posted by nolimitnola
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2019
227 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:19 am to
Wade said after the Texas game he's done playing Mr Nice guy. He wasn't lying.
Posted by Tigerfan7218
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2010
14251 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:20 am to
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Taylor loves to go under screens and give up 3s. That is poor coaching.


In a sense I agree... But who says WW isn't making Taylor run suicides or do something every time he goes under a screen in practice and it still doesn't sink in, what else can you do?

I am certainly not putting Marshall Graves or James Bishop out there to prove a point and bench Taylor
Posted by BreesyInBigEasy
Member since Sep 2019
770 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:21 am to
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Joe Burrow has a lot in common with Will Wade Posted by chinhoyang online on 5/16/18 at 4:17 pm Both have generated huge fan hype, but it is all big talk at this point (and not big talk from Burrows, obviously, but from the fans). We have no clue whether Joe Burrows will be a star QB in LSU's system. We have no clue whether he will come to LSU other than some "followings" on social media sites.


This was an awesome take

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The losses have settled down that element of his fan base. With most LSU fans now having realistic expectations, it is easy to appreciate Wade's coaching and recruiting.


Wow. The losses prove that he’s substantially raised the expectations. Anyone would have taken a likely tournament team in year 3 when he took the program over. Now after he won the conference in year 2, he’s held to that standard
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 10:23 am
Posted by GRIZZ
PRAIRIEVILLE
Member since Nov 2009
5214 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:27 am to
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Average defensive efficiency rating under Wade (three years)

126


Yet people will still stand by this being a talent level problem. It's much much more than lack of talent. This can be corrected, but Wade's coaching style isn't getting it done. Hopefully he hires a defensive guru next season.
Posted by BreesyInBigEasy
Member since Sep 2019
770 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:28 am to
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Even so, other posters have posted stats that show Jones' defense was better than Wade's.


I’d be interested in seeing how that is measured. While we may give up lots of 3s and some points, we run at a good pace and have forced a lot of turnovers under him without fouling too much (also a reason our D is poor along with over rotations)

Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
9508 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:28 am to
I love Will Wade and he is in a tough spot, but you get what you accept. He's an offensive coach and doesn't demand great defense.

None of Wade's first 3 teams have played defense very well. Last year's team made defensive plays (Water's steals and KBW blocks) that helped mask some of the blow-bye's.

It's obvious Will has no answers at this point. So he either keeps allowing guys who play poor defense to get minutes or he benches them for a lesser player.


Posted by BreesyInBigEasy
Member since Sep 2019
770 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:30 am to
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Yet people will still stand by this being a talent level problem. It's much much more than lack of talent. This can be corrected, but Wade's coaching style isn't getting it done.


It’s both. We’ve had undersized or slow guards and a lack of depth, especially down low. We can’t afford foul trouble and we haven’t had guards that are great on ball defenders
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35400 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:41 am to
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It’s both. We’ve had undersized or slow guards and a lack of depth, especially down low. We can’t afford foul trouble and we haven’t had guards that are great on ball defenders

Posted by BreesyInBigEasy
Member since Sep 2019
770 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:42 am to
What confusing about that?

Waters was undersized the past 2 years, but he was great at getting steals

Smart is slow laterally and can’t prevent penetration
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:58 am to
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Alleva placed on him causing a talent rift.


not a fan of Alleva, but perhaps if WW's name had not come up, Alleva would nit have been placed in the position he was.

Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:01 am to
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Will “The Pear” Wade
He has Paul Reiser Fred Savage hips.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56299 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:31 am to
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I love Will Wade and he is in a tough spot, but you get what you accept. He's an offensive coach and doesn't demand great defense.

None of Wade's first 3 teams have played defense very well. Last year's team made defensive plays (Water's steals and KBW blocks) that helped mask some of the blow-bye's.

It's obvious Will has no answers at this point. So he either keeps allowing guys who play poor defense to get minutes or he benches them for a lesser player.


If we had post players like UK has he would look like a genius. You would have to make contested threes to beat us.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
14899 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:49 am to
you are a bitch
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