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Posted on 11/19/09 at 9:44 am to GA Tiger
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If the players are the issue, ok, why not recruit more disciplined players?
Discipline can be instilled. Just ask the military academies.
The reason Don Shula's pro teams were the least penalized in the NFL was that there was no tolerance for it. Shula realized what's been said earlier, that bonehead penalties can sway the outcome of a close game. He wouldn't put up with it and instilled discipline in his team. Some college coaches do this better than others.
Not saying Miles teams are shockingly undisciplined, but would like to see them tighten up a bit.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 9:47 am to HONDEAUX
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Discipline must be instilled
It appears that it has not been imo.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 9:48 am to DoubleDeuce
u blame the players but maybe the players are getting away with these little but costly mistakes at practice. maybe our coaches are a lil soft as one would call it. i do understand that miles is not out there lining up, but something has to change. pull the damn kid out of there if he can't cut the mustard. there is always someone waiting in the shadows
Posted on 11/19/09 at 9:55 am to GA Tiger
The one I understand the least is-men on line of scrimage. Between our QB and several upper class WR's, can no one see that there are too many guys in the backfield? Hell, I see it and I never played O after my junior year. The two guys on each end should see this every time.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 10:00 am to calicokat
False start penalties happen at every level of football. I just believe that there are other examples that could be used to show a lack of discipline.
Just for example Alabama averages 5.4 penalties per game for 46.80 yards and LSU averages 6.2 penalties per game for 46.4 yards. And just to throw another out there Texas averages 7.1 penalties per game for 63.3 yards (they are undefeated and will make it to the BCS championship game).
What I'm saying is that ALL teams have penalties (ie. false starts, holding, offsides, etc.).
I'm not saying that we have great coaching by any means, just that penalties aren't the measuring stick for that.
Just for example Alabama averages 5.4 penalties per game for 46.80 yards and LSU averages 6.2 penalties per game for 46.4 yards. And just to throw another out there Texas averages 7.1 penalties per game for 63.3 yards (they are undefeated and will make it to the BCS championship game).
What I'm saying is that ALL teams have penalties (ie. false starts, holding, offsides, etc.).
I'm not saying that we have great coaching by any means, just that penalties aren't the measuring stick for that.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 10:05 am to DoubleDeuce
there you go again trying to compare LSU to Bama and Texas, with all your cute stats. what are you a stay at home dad with all this time on your hands googling stats???
Posted on 11/19/09 at 10:09 am to DoubleDeuce
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False start penalties happen at every level of football. I just believe that there are other examples that could be used to show a lack of discipline.
Just for example Alabama averages 5.4 penalties per game for 46.80 yards and LSU averages 6.2 penalties per game for 46.4 yards. And just to throw another out there Texas averages 7.1 penalties per game for 63.3 yards (they are undefeated and will make it to the BCS championship game).
What I'm saying is that ALL teams have penalties (ie. false starts, holding, offsides, etc.).
I'm not saying that we have great coaching by any means, just that penalties aren't the measuring stick for that
I see your point but try to find a break down of WHAT penalties were called and ill wager that youll find LSU has more procedure/delay of game/and false starts than the others. ie. not coaching enough discipline
Posted on 11/19/09 at 10:10 am to GA Tiger
If he wins the next 2 he will have earned his paycheck. If we win one, I will give him a pass.
If he loses both, I will start moving him towards the DiNardo column. That's the way DiNardo finished his last 2 games - with pathetic performances. Tech was pathetic! Our boys would have played better if the coaching staff had stayed home and Charles Scott had manned the headphones. On the radio last night, Miles did not sound confident. I could hear concern in his voice like he knows he is in trouble. He sounded like the problem had outgrown his ability to resolve it by Dec 1st.
I don't like to say this, but after hearing him speak last night, I think we are going to drop both.
He needs to loosen up and get his mojo back. Our guys need to go out there loose and fired up on Sat. Coach is uptight and the players are too. Let the guys just go out and play. That's the way Mack Brown used to handle Vince Young. Vince was better when he was left uncoached. Let the guys play their own game, just like Vince and just like JR. JR was at his best playing pitch and catch with D. Bowe. I bet JJ can do the same thing.
If he loses both, I will start moving him towards the DiNardo column. That's the way DiNardo finished his last 2 games - with pathetic performances. Tech was pathetic! Our boys would have played better if the coaching staff had stayed home and Charles Scott had manned the headphones. On the radio last night, Miles did not sound confident. I could hear concern in his voice like he knows he is in trouble. He sounded like the problem had outgrown his ability to resolve it by Dec 1st.
I don't like to say this, but after hearing him speak last night, I think we are going to drop both.
He needs to loosen up and get his mojo back. Our guys need to go out there loose and fired up on Sat. Coach is uptight and the players are too. Let the guys just go out and play. That's the way Mack Brown used to handle Vince Young. Vince was better when he was left uncoached. Let the guys play their own game, just like Vince and just like JR. JR was at his best playing pitch and catch with D. Bowe. I bet JJ can do the same thing.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 10:22 am to calicokat
Just a thought; Miles seems to be a "players coach". Does that make him inclined to be softer on penalties/mistakes than other coaches and contributes to the problem?
Posted on 11/19/09 at 10:28 am to SOL
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If he wins the next 2 he will have earned his paycheck. If we win one, I will give him a pass.
If he loses both, I will start moving him towards the DiNardo column
I agree 100%. Even with the young O-line & QB, we can not afford to lose the next two games and finish 8-4 with a mediocre bowl game. This will kill recruiting. However, if we finish strong and win the last two, at 10-2 with only two losses to #1 and #2, it would be a great season.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 10:29 am to GA Tiger
Who ever said we didn't have many penalties the year Miles won the NC is crazy. LSU was one of the most penalized teams in the nation.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 10:30 am to GA Tiger
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He wins
Yes and is there ANYTHING more important than "he wins"?
I mean, we can all pick apart this and that, but bottom line....is there anything that speaks louder than "he wins"?
This is just me and I'm not anything more than Joe fan, but I don't care bout anything in game results other than winning.
I guess that makes me a simple guy who doesn't maybe understand all the finer points of the game, but I'll take 50-13 and just say, "thank you every much, Coach."
Posted on 11/19/09 at 10:46 am to Lonnie4LSU
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I guess that makes me a simple guy who doesn't maybe understand all the finer points of the game, but I'll take 50-13 and just say, "thank you every much, Coach."
The point is there will not be another 50-13, if we continue to perform the way we have. STUPID penalties (formation, procedures, delays) can be avoided through repetition and drills. These have ALWAYS been an issue under Miles. To date, LSU has overcome them due to an overwhelming talent advantage and some good fortune. As Saban and Meyer continue to load and reload, we will not have a talent advantage over our 2 biggest rivals. In the future, assuming we can continue to land top recruits (and under Miles there is no reason to think this won't continue), the big games will increasingly be decided by effort, discipline and gameplanning. In order for us to win the West, the SEC and potentially compete for a NC, we will have to beat Alabama and Florida. This won't happen unless we can out hustle, out smart and out work them. I haven't seen anything in Miles' tenure that indicate we can do this consistently. Miles doesn't manage the details, and I believe this is obvious to anyone watching the games. He is a "big picture" guy, leaving the details to his suboordinates. This is a losing formula in the long run, when you are competing against the elites of coaching twice a year.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 11:01 am to LJBurton
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The point is there will not be another 50-13, if we continue to perform the way we have. STUPID penalties (formation, procedures, delays) can be avoided through repetition and drills. These have ALWAYS been an issue under Miles. To date, LSU has overcome them due to an overwhelming talent advantage and some good fortune. As Saban and Meyer continue to load and reload, we will not have a talent advantage over our 2 biggest rivals. In the future, assuming we can continue to land top recruits (and under Miles there is no reason to think this won't continue), the big games will increasingly be decided by effort, discipline and gameplanning. In order for us to win the West, the SEC and potentially compete for a NC, we will have to beat Alabama and Florida. This won't happen unless we can out hustle, out smart and out work them. I haven't seen anything in Miles' tenure that indicate we can do this consistently. Miles doesn't manage the details, and I believe this is obvious to anyone watching the games. He is a "big picture" guy, leaving the details to his suboordinates. This is a losing formula in the long run, when you are competing against the elites of coaching twice a year.
Good post
Posted on 11/19/09 at 11:06 am to GA Tiger
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Yes, we win. But anyone can see that we do not always look very pretty getting it done and it causes you to think that eventually, lack of preparation and lack of discipline is going to cost you a key game.
THIS!!! THIS!!!! OH HELL YEAH +1,000, THIS!!!!!
Posted on 11/19/09 at 11:12 am to Lonnie4LSU
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I guess that makes me a simple guy who doesn't maybe understand all the finer points of the game, but I'll take 50-13 and just say, "thank you every much, Coach."
Shouldn't he ultimately be judged by his conference record as opposed to his overall wins/loses? True, Miles is something like 23-0 against OOC opponents. It's a nice gaudy stat that looks pretty on his resume, but it doesn't really mean a lot if his teams go 3-5 or 4-4 in SEC play.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 11:14 am to GA Tiger
Add these:
1. 2005 thin recruiting class
2. Attrition on the offensive line
3. RP being booted off the team (the right move)
1. 2005 thin recruiting class
2. Attrition on the offensive line
3. RP being booted off the team (the right move)
Posted on 11/19/09 at 11:24 am to LouisianaLonghorn
Conference record is the most important in my opinion. LSU should shoot for at least winning the SEC West every year. For me it's not really meaningful if we win 4 or 5 SEC games every year but still sweep our usually weak OOC schedule.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 11:32 am to AlxTgr
[quote]Probably works with personal fouls. False starts? Nah.[/quote
I disagree with you. The check with me crap, all the motion with some players looking @ each other like deer in the headlights IS a coaching problem.
I disagree with you. The check with me crap, all the motion with some players looking @ each other like deer in the headlights IS a coaching problem.
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