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re: The real issue with Miles and QB position
Posted on 8/5/15 at 10:09 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Posted on 8/5/15 at 10:09 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Miles wants a game manager and someone who doesn't make any mistakes- effectively a QB playing in handcuffs- the fans want a gunslinger, a dynamic player, a playmaker who pushes the ball down the field.
Miles wants only what his quarterback is capable of delivering. He's had three years of 2500+ passing seasons (and nearly a fourth) with a quarterback he believes is worth the extra pass attempts.
Are you really going to fault him for the way he managed the careers of Jefferson and Lee? We saw what happened in 2008 when a below-average quarterback was allowed to fling it.
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Posted on 8/5/15 at 10:09 am to chilge1
chilge1
I see your posts and generally agree with where you are coming from.
I don't believe that I made any general statements, just a glimpse around our own conference will support my statement. I generally reserve stronger opinions like the one's in my post I just take issue with hoping for adequacy under center.
I feel that most people have been very patient with our coaching staff where our QB issues are concerned. While my above post may not have conveyed it I do expect to see this downward slide reversed beginning this year. I know that some of the issues were situational and have made tough work for our coaches. I also know that handling adversity and adapting is extremely important at times. I have not YET seen anything that shows Miles as doing this. I believe that over the next 2 seasons the efforts of LM & CC will bear fruit.
If I am wrong and the shite show continues the 2 of them need to sell their services elsewhere.
BTW there was really no need to be condescending. My post history isn't that of your typical ranter.
Tnks.
I see your posts and generally agree with where you are coming from.
I don't believe that I made any general statements, just a glimpse around our own conference will support my statement. I generally reserve stronger opinions like the one's in my post I just take issue with hoping for adequacy under center.
I feel that most people have been very patient with our coaching staff where our QB issues are concerned. While my above post may not have conveyed it I do expect to see this downward slide reversed beginning this year. I know that some of the issues were situational and have made tough work for our coaches. I also know that handling adversity and adapting is extremely important at times. I have not YET seen anything that shows Miles as doing this. I believe that over the next 2 seasons the efforts of LM & CC will bear fruit.
If I am wrong and the shite show continues the 2 of them need to sell their services elsewhere.
BTW there was really no need to be condescending. My post history isn't that of your typical ranter.
Tnks.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 10:17 am to learnthehardway
Apologies. I rarely check the post history of those I'm arguing unless I suspect they are trolls.
Fact is that Crowton dug us into a pretty deep hole both with on-field performance and recruiting from 2008-10. Cameron is rectifying this both in coaching and recruiting, but the issue was compounded by heavy losses to the draft last year... a victim of his own success.
Again, apologies for rudeness. As I'm sure you're aware, there have been many, many posts as of late without your foresight
Fact is that Crowton dug us into a pretty deep hole both with on-field performance and recruiting from 2008-10. Cameron is rectifying this both in coaching and recruiting, but the issue was compounded by heavy losses to the draft last year... a victim of his own success.
Again, apologies for rudeness. As I'm sure you're aware, there have been many, many posts as of late without your foresight
Posted on 8/5/15 at 10:19 am to PosiFan59
quote:Well said. I've been seeing more and more sunshine salesmen waking up and smelling the coffee. As yogi Berra would say, "You can observe a lot by just watching." It's a pity that objective thinking gets nuked on this board, as evidenced by the down-votes of the OP and the forthcoming down-votes of this post.
What is clearly apparent is that many LSU fans, myself included, aren't confident that there will be a fair QB battle between AJ and BH. Rather most believe AJ will start no matter what happens. This is not totally unfounded as we saw this played out before between JJ and JL. If Miles starts AJ most fans will still believe BH is the better QB which means Miles credibility is virtually zero. This really needs to be addressed by Miles but I really don't think he cares to do so. The end result is fan morale continues to decline which is not good for the program. I wish Miles would realize this and clearly demonstrate that whoever starts is the best QB.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 10:22 am to atltiger6487
I was just pointing out that yes, he realized there was talent after he had been coached and played at the college level. Everyone saw the potential by then.
Even with all the coaching changes,you can't deny that the QB position has been our Achilles since Les has been here. It's just frustrating to see inept QB play year after year. Maybe this will be the year that silences the critics.
Even with all the coaching changes,you can't deny that the QB position has been our Achilles since Les has been here. It's just frustrating to see inept QB play year after year. Maybe this will be the year that silences the critics.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 10:23 am to chilge1
No worries. I literally laughed out loud when I first scanned the board this morning. The threads are getting worse every day.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 10:29 am to chilge1
quote:The ones he's 'recruited' either aren't capable of delivering anything OR they quit and go somewhere else. This isn't the sign of a coach who puts a clear emphasis on the position as a playmaker, or that the 'market' has any confidence that Miles is going to let them succeed at the position. These guys aren't all quitting or leaving to go somewhere else because of a girlfriend. They see the product on the field and say no thank you. Other arguments could be made about 'not coaching them up' either, but that stands for itself. Other than Mett falling in our lap and having one good year (his first year he looked lost), we haven't had a dynamic QB since Matt Flynn in 2007.
Miles wants only what his quarterback is capable of delivering. He's had three years of 2500+ passing seasons (and nearly a fourth) with a quarterback he believes is worth the extra pass attempts.
quote:He dug his own hole with Jefferson/Lee. The point is that you don't put yourself in a position of having to settle for either Jefferson or Lee (neither who should have been LSU's starting QB) if you are LSU, you can get quality QB's. Otherwise, you coach them up and make them better, neither of which happened, so cry me a river on that one.
Are you really going to fault him for the way he managed the careers of Jefferson and Lee? We saw what happened in 2008 when a below-average quarterback was allowed to fling it.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 10:32 am to Nuts4LSU
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Can you name one time in his entire career at LSU that Jordan Jefferson was ever taken out of the game and benched for poor performance?
Tennessee 2010.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 10:33 am to PosiFan59
This OP got 5 pages?
LOL. Definitely pre-season. I mean hell, I think Miles is awful in the QB department, but the OP is............well frick...........bad.
LOL. Definitely pre-season. I mean hell, I think Miles is awful in the QB department, but the OP is............well frick...........bad.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 10:36 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Miles had great play with Russell and Flynn and went after Perrilloux, Mettenberger,Kiel, Harris, and Franks HARD on the recruiting trail.
So tell me how 2005-07 and 2011-15, differ from 2008-10..
So tell me how 2005-07 and 2011-15, differ from 2008-10..
Posted on 8/5/15 at 10:52 am to Choctaw
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your post just made me punch my dog. You owe my dog a fricking apology a-hole.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 11:18 am to PosiFan59
Our fans are dumb. If this played out like JL v JJ then the younger qb would start.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 11:20 am to c on z
quote:
Tennessee 2010.
He was on the field on the final play of the game. Twice.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 11:24 am to tigerpawl
quote:
Well said. I've been seeing more and more sunshine salesmen waking up and smelling the coffee. As yogi Berra would say, "You can observe a lot by just watching." It's a pity that objective thinking gets nuked on this board, as evidenced by the down-votes of the OP and the forthcoming down-votes of this post.
Both of you are idiots. Miles is telling the fans who he thinks the best qb is by starting the guy. Just some fans disagree with him. And regardless of who the coach is, fans will disagree with him. So the whole losing morale thing is because we have a bunch of whiny bitch fans that dont want to sit out in the heat all day and like to leave early to beat traffic.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 11:24 am to learnthehardway
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I feel that most people have been very patient with our coaching staff where our QB issues are concerned
What was so bad with our QB play in 2011, 2012, and 2013?
LSU had good QB play in 2011. 2300 total yds, 22 total TDs, 5 ints, and a rating of like 145. Not Baylor like, but is it really worthy of all the BS tossed its way?
Mett started slow in 2012, but he was on fire in the regular season starting with Bama. I think he had like 6 tds, no ints, and averaged bout 270 yds. a game. I don't think 2013 needs to be discussed as far as QB play.
Yes, 2014 was disappointing, but this idea that our QB always sucks or is poor is just silly. I had hoped for better in 2014, but due to the massive skill loss we suffered I can understand the problem and see no reason to break out my cliff jumping gear just yet.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 11:29 am to 5Alive
Will it ever end with JJ n JL. Only mistake he made Imo is not trying to give Lee a shot to spark the offense on 1-11. Even if Lee always stunk vs sabans defenses. Miles will put who he thinks gives lsu best Chance to win. Whether he's wrong or not can be debated. Harris got his shot and was lost. Knowing 10 plays may work vs nmsu but not any west opponent. To me miles seems higher on Harris based on what I've read or heard him say. Cameron's comments about a qb's 3rd year of development makes me wander if he's saying that Harris still isn't ready more than saying AJ is. Idk. If Harris truly knows cams offense by end of fall camp then he beats AJ out. If not AJ will start. If AJ is out 1st game due to trouble we better watch closely. Not stats, TD throws and all that but how well harris commands the huddle, checks , audibles, pocket presence, and hopefully not staring at his wrist for 15 seconds. Lol. I wouldn't be a bit suprised if we see a 2 qb system Long after fall camp ends. At least first 4 games.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 11:44 am to Clint Eastwood
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Everyone is mad cause they don't want to hear the truth.
And what is the truth again? Your truth is not the truth, it's just crazy talk from a disgruntled group of biased idiots.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 11:47 am to Lonnie4LSU
Good post. Every coach even coach miles wants balance but if u have a dominant defense and running game u don't let an inexperienced qb throw his team out of football games. We're a pro style run heavy team. 55-45 is probably a run/pass ratio miles Wants even with a Flynn or left at qb. Fsu, Stanford , georgia, bama, arky, mich state, Lsu and many others run different versions of pro styles. A zillion different sets and styles used but I am much more of a fan of that than some of these gimmicky offenses. Theres a reason why we are seeing more and more major programs forking out the $ to get NFL OC's and assistants. Helps with recruiting and teaching. Why is it we have the #1 class right now? It's not because we won 8 last year and b2b bowl losses. It's all the NFL rosters with Lsu players on them. Not only reason but a big one. Hell NFL teams have even said how ahead of the curve some of these young athletes are that come from pro systems. Just my 2 cents.
This post was edited on 8/5/15 at 11:50 am
Posted on 8/5/15 at 11:56 am to PosiFan59
What you do not understand is that the real issue is not the QB or the OC or the QB Coach.
Whether it be Cam Cameron / Greg Studrawa / Steve Kragthorpe / Gary Crowton or JJ/JL/Mett/AJ/BH, save for 2013 the results have been and will be the same. It does not matter who we start at QB or who is calling plays or how many starters return or how many 5 star wide receivers we have on the roster. The result is the same.
So long as Les Miles is the coach, we will see the same offense.
Whether it be Cam Cameron / Greg Studrawa / Steve Kragthorpe / Gary Crowton or JJ/JL/Mett/AJ/BH, save for 2013 the results have been and will be the same. It does not matter who we start at QB or who is calling plays or how many starters return or how many 5 star wide receivers we have on the roster. The result is the same.
So long as Les Miles is the coach, we will see the same offense.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 12:11 pm to PosiFan59
quote:
I wish Miles would realize this and clearly demonstrate that whoever starts is the best QB
You realize this is the same guy that obtained and started Andrew Hatch, right?
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