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re: The Rant's opinion on not removing hats for the National Anthem
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:22 pm to DeafJam73
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:22 pm to DeafJam73
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Exactly. They did it for YOU. They didn't ask for your consent to fight. They did for the freedom of others.
Yes, the freedom to live in a free country where patriotism is not enforced. Thank you for proving my point.
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Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:22 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Gmorgan4982
You do realize that this forum is debating opinions.
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Who decides whether a decision I make is poor? You? I think it's not poor. Seems like the vote is 1-1 at the moment. Not that such a vote would even matter.
I agree, my opinion vs. your opinion is merely a 1-1 vote.
You judge me on my beliefs. I don't take it personally.
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People can criticize me if they want. I can also think that they are doing so to make themselves feel better.
Exactly, just as you are criticizing me and others that feel it is unpatriotic. I'm sure many do it to feel better about themselves. Still, others do it to present an alternative opinion. Do you only post to make yourself feel better about yourself?
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According to who? You? Well, that's one man's opinion.
Yes, me. I'm just posting one man's opinion, mine.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:22 pm to WikiTiger
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I'm a veteran of the Iraq war and I volunteered to go for selfish reasons. Is that ok?
Wow, I'm loving this ARGUMENT more and more.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:22 pm to DeafJam73
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It is just simply accepted as a sign of respect. That's it. Why is it so hard for you to do it? Does it pain you so much to take your hat off? How old are you anyway? You sound like some whiny 14 year old.
I'm not whining at all. To me it sounds like the people whining are the ones complaining about other people's behavior that they really have no business thinking about.
I don't remove my hat at games, because i don't wear hats. But the action is not important.
Bowing one's head in reverence is a sign of respect. Putting one's hands together is a sign of respect.
But in reality, they are physical actions to which some people have assigned meanings. The removal/nonremoval of one's cap means nothing. In Japan, you bow to someone when you greet them.
You are not the law in this land, and you do not decide what actions signify which emotions. Get over yourself.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:22 pm to montiger
No. It's not a matter of whether they believe in it or not or whether they have respect for their country. These are just a bunch of young frickoffs who don't want to do it just because someone told them to. They just don't want to do it just because everyone else does it. They really need to grow the frick up. If they can't take their hat off for less than 5 minutes then GTFO.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:23 pm to DeafJam73
quote:They did it for me? They don't even know me. I only know two military members (my parents) and neither of them fought in any war.
They did it for YOU.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:24 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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You are not the law in this land, and you do not decide what actions signify which emotions. Get over yourself.
Go frick yourself.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:24 pm to TigerBait69
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ARGUMENT
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:26 pm to TigerBait69
quote:Woohoo!! I try to be controversial at times.
That statement is more disrespectful than keeping your hat on, IMO.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:26 pm to DeafJam73
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No. It's not a matter of whether they believe in it or not or whether they have respect for their country. These are just a bunch of young frickoffs who don't want to do it just because someone told them to. They just don't want to do it just because everyone else does it. They really need to grow the frick up. If they can't take their hat off for less than 5 minutes then GTFO.
You're an old frickoff clinging to customs that may or may not be relevant anymore, because the people who decide the importance of those customs are changing. Welcome to the way the world works.
Etiquette changes. propriety changes. What is acceptable and unacceptable changes. Social norms and mores and rules change. And it's not better worse or respectful or more disrespectful, it's only different.
In the future, it might be appropriate to flick one's nose during the national anthem. And not doing so might end up being considered "disrespectful"
get. over. it.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:27 pm to bconne1
I remove my cap but there have been times, believe it or not, when I've forgotten that I had a cap on. Because of this, I'm a little more tolerant of those folks who don't remove their hats.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:27 pm to DeafJam73
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Go frick yourself.
your decision to use that type of language is very disrespectful.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:28 pm to Gmorgan4982
But why can't you take your hat off? Why do you feel that you have to do something different? You bring up people bowing in Japan; okay it's the same thing over here. Removing the hat is our sign of respect.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:29 pm to montiger
Isn't it a federal law?
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During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:30 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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This is a custom, and a custom only. Everyone upset about people not removing their hats need to get the frick over it, because new customs are born everyday and old ones are killed every day.
The origin of this custom makes it clear why there is no point in attributing respect with it ( in this age/generation) - and there is nothing wrong with changing customs either.
Knights would salute by lifting their helmet visor. To open a visor was a form of greeting which said in effect: “I do not expect a sword thrust in the mouth from you,: A knight removed his helmet before a friend as a token that he feared no blow, and always in the presence of a King, as a symbol that his life was the King’s.
Knights gave way to soldiers and full metal helmets and visors gave way to hats/caps and other headgear and they continued the practice - simply because it was done before, even though it didn't have the same implications
This translated into civilian life - Villiens, tenants and farmers who worked the lords land would doff their cap when in the presence of the master. This sign of subservience latter became the sign of respect of removing or tipping your hat.
If folks choose to remove the hat - it is fine, but to think ill or condemn someone or mark them as unpatriotic for refusing to follow a custom , which has deviated quite a bit from its initial implications is illogical.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:30 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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You're an old frickoff clinging to customs that may or may not be relevant anymore, because the people who decide the importance of those customs are changing. Welcome to the way the world works.
Hey dipshit, I'm 18.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:31 pm to bconne1
It os a total lack of respect not to remove a cap or hat during the the playing of the National Anthem. There is no excuse for such actions. I know who evver did not remove their cover definitly did not have my parents. I would have gotten a slap on the back of my head hard enough to remove my cap for me.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:31 pm to DeafJam73
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But why can't you take your hat off? Why do you feel that you have to do something different? You bring up people bowing in Japan; okay it's the same thing over here. Removing the hat is our sign of respect.
It's not really. Because people don't really wear hats anymore. Hat tipping is irrelevant. It is a custom born out of when gentlemen wore hats as part of their uniform, and before the invention of sunglasses and air conditioning.
People used to do great sweeping bows too, and women used to curtsy. It's all custom.
Some continue to be relevant, some are phased out. Hat tipping is one that has been phased out as hats have played less an important role in our dress code.
the point is that you guys have assigned this mass meaning to it. It really means no more than waving. Or clapping. Or giving an a-okay sign. stop worrying about it.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:32 pm to DeafJam73
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Hey dipshit, I'm 18.
That actually explains quite a bit.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 12:32 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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your decision to use that type of language is very disrespectful.
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You're an old frickoff
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