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re: The problem is not with our offense is...
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:26 pm to oldfan
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:26 pm to oldfan
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:30 pm to Antonio Moss
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The other stall was when Jefferson dirted it in front of Randle near the endzone. Everyone was well covered, but Jefferson should have ate that ball. We were well within FG range and he was in the process of being taken down. That's a risky pass that doesn't need to be made. IMO, that was Jefferson's biggest mistake against MSU.
Okay...he was hit at the same time he threw that ball causing the ball to fall way short. I'm not sure the receivers would have not gotten open on that one had their been more time. Anyway, that was Alfred Blue's fault because he failed to pickup the blitzing linebacker that hit JJ as he was throwing the ball.
And the other one, given a split second with only 4 yards to go, you have to assume the pass will be long enough.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:32 pm to Antonio Moss
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2006 - Better total offense, passing offense, and scoring offense.
'07 scored 5 more points per game compared to '06, and averaged 23 more yards per game...
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:40 pm to ForeLSU
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'07 scored 5 more points per game compared to '06, and averaged 23 more yards per game...
Touche'
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:50 pm to AntiAntiTiger
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I'm not a crowton fan at all. But it's hilarious how if something goes good it is ALWAYS someone else responsible no matter what. Fisher was long gone, yet getting credit for the offense at LSU. lol...laughable.
It’s not laughable; it’s the truth. Now what’s laughable is a dumb arse like you! Besides I’m not the only one who remembers this very well, there are a lot of other people on this board that also remember it well as well.
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Kind of like Saban getting credit for the first THREE years at LSU.
Well if Saban hadn’t preceded Miles, not only would there not have been a MNC in 2007, but also the program never would have experienced near the success it did in 2005 and 2006. I mean its academic and I don’t see how anyone can be dumb enough to challenge this reality, but very apparently you are.
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until lsu hit a bump in the road then it was miles fault
Well then according to you, whose fault is it? Saban’s? It can only be Mile’s fault, since he is the head coach! Damn!
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it's miles offense, because they suck, but it's chavis defense..because they are good.....lmao...some real idiots.
Anyone halfway paying attention knows that Miles was always an offensive coach and not a defensive coach. Not only that, but also it is Less Miles who hired that incompetent Crowton in the first place and it is Less Miles that stubbornly refuses to fire him. In any event, he is the head coach and the head coach is ultimately responsible for all problems and success on the team. Hence, if the offense finished 112th in the nation last season with 4 and 5 star recruits, then because he is the head coach, the buck stops ultimately with him, and especially because he refuses to fire the main culprit. Damn...this isn't rocket science!
This post was edited on 9/22/10 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:51 pm to ForeLSU
Some more interesting numbers comparing 2006 and 2007:
In 2007, we ran 1,054 plays for 6,152 yards. This averaged to 5.8 yards per play.
In 2006, we ran 818 plays for 5,427 yards. This averages to 6.6 yards per play.
In comparison, in 2008 we ran 886 plays for 4,785 yards. This averages to 5.4 yards per play.
In 2009, we ran 771 plays for 3,959 yards. This averages to 5.1 yards per play.
So far in 2010, we've run 183 plays for 969 yards. This averages to 5.3 yards per play.
In 2007, we ran 1,054 plays for 6,152 yards. This averaged to 5.8 yards per play.
In 2006, we ran 818 plays for 5,427 yards. This averages to 6.6 yards per play.
In comparison, in 2008 we ran 886 plays for 4,785 yards. This averages to 5.4 yards per play.
In 2009, we ran 771 plays for 3,959 yards. This averages to 5.1 yards per play.
So far in 2010, we've run 183 plays for 969 yards. This averages to 5.3 yards per play.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:54 pm to Dead Fish
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I'm not a crowton fan at all. But it's hilarious how if something goes good it is ALWAYS someone else responsible no matter what. Fisher was long gone, yet getting credit for the offense at LSU. lol...laughable.
It’s not laughable; it’s the truth. Now what’s laughable is a dumb arse like you! Besides I’m not the only one who remembers this very well, there are a lot of other people on this board that also remember it well as well.
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Kind of like Saban getting credit for the first THREE years at LSU.
Well if Saban hadn’t preceded Miles, not only would there not have been a MNC in 2007, but also the program never would have experienced near the success it did in 2005 and 2006. I mean its academic and I don’t see how anyone can be dumb enough to challenge this reality, but very apparently you are.
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until lsu hit a bump in the road then it was miles fault
Well then according to you, whose fault is it? Saban’s? It can only be Mile’s fault, since he is the head coach! Damn!
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it's miles offense, because they suck, but it's chavis defense..because they are good.....lmao...some real idiots.
Anyone halfway paying attention knows that Miles was always an offensive coach and not a defensive coach. Not only that, but also it is Less Miles who hired that incompetent Crowton in the first place and it is Less Miles that stubbornly refuses to fire him. In any event, he is the head coach and the head coach is ultimately responsible for all problems and success on the team. Hence, if the offense finished 112th in the nation last season with 4 and 5 star recruits, then because he is the head coach, the buck stops ultimately with him, and especially because he refuses to fire the main culprit. Damn...this isn't rocket science!
Dead Fish, I mean this with all sincerity and complete honesty, how does saban taste? I'm being honest here.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 2:01 pm to Antonio Moss
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In 2007, we ran 1,054 plays for 6,152 yards. This averaged to 5.8 yards per play.
In 2006, we ran 818 plays for 5,427 yards. This averages to 6.6 yards per play.
wow, 07 was certainly more "grind it out", but over 200 plays more with only 1 additional game is pretty significant.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 2:01 pm to mike4lsu
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He is content on being a middle of the road SEC team, the sort of Oklahoma State of the SEC West.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 2:04 pm to mike4lsu
What utter rubbish. LSU's offense with Miles as coach has been versatile and explosive when LSU has had effective QB play. Les Miles and Gary Crowton have not completely rewritten the playbook. They have been limited in their play selection by what the team can execute effectively. And the biggest limitation is Jefferson.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 2:10 pm to ForeLSU
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wow, 07 was certainly more "grind it out", but over 200 plays more with only 1 additional game is pretty significant.
Yeah, probably had close to addition 25 plays in the two overtime games.
I would imagine that when you account for the overtimes and the SEC Championship game, it's about a 100 play difference.
Our running game was sick nasty in 2007. And people wonder why Miles is committed to running the ball.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 2:12 pm to Poodlebrain
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And the biggest limitation is Jefferson.
I'm sorry, but Crowton's coaching history disagrees with you.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 2:12 pm to ForeLSU
Year Name Class Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
2010 Jefferson JR QB 33 57 57.9 344 6 5.2 2 2 113.2
2009 Jefferson SO QB 182 296 61.5 2166 7.3 7.4 17 7 137.2
2008 Lee FR QB 143 269 53.2 1873 7 5.3 14 16 116.9
2007 Flynn SR QB 202 359 56.3 2407 6.7 6.5 21 11 125.8
Compare 2007 to 2010(so far) not a huge difference and we still won the MNC
2010 Jefferson JR QB 33 57 57.9 344 6 5.2 2 2 113.2
2009 Jefferson SO QB 182 296 61.5 2166 7.3 7.4 17 7 137.2
2008 Lee FR QB 143 269 53.2 1873 7 5.3 14 16 116.9
2007 Flynn SR QB 202 359 56.3 2407 6.7 6.5 21 11 125.8
Compare 2007 to 2010(so far) not a huge difference and we still won the MNC
This post was edited on 9/22/10 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 9/22/10 at 2:13 pm to AntiAntiTiger
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I'm not a crowton fan at all. But it's hilarious how if something goes good it is ALWAYS someone else responsible no matter what. Fisher was long gone, yet getting credit for the offense at LSU. lol...laughable.
It’s not laughable; it’s the truth. Now what’s laughable is a dumb arse like you! Besides I’m not the only one who remembers this very well, there are a lot of other people on this board that also remember it well as well.
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Kind of like Saban getting credit for the first THREE years at LSU.
Well if Saban hadn’t preceded Miles, not only would there not have been a MNC in 2007, but also the program never would have experienced near the success it did in 2005 and 2006. I mean its academic and I don’t see how anyone can be dumb enough to challenge this reality, but very apparently you are.
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until lsu hit a bump in the road then it was miles fault
Well then according to you, whose fault is it? Saban’s? It can only be Mile’s fault, since he is the head coach! Damn!
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it's miles offense, because they suck, but it's chavis defense..because they are good.....lmao...some real idiots.
Anyone halfway paying attention knows that Miles was always an offensive coach and not a defensive coach. Not only that, but also it is Less Miles who hired that incompetent Crowton in the first place and it is Less Miles that stubbornly refuses to fire him. In any event, he is the head coach and the head coach is ultimately responsible for all problems and success on the team. Hence, if the offense finished 112th in the nation last season with 4 and 5 star recruits, then because he is the head coach, the buck stops ultimately with him, and especially because he refuses to fire the main culprit. Damn...this isn't rocket science!
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Dead Fish, I mean this with all sincerity and complete honesty, how does saban taste? I'm being honest here.
Hey…it’s not my fault you are too delusional and stupid to accept obvious reality. Miles got lucky as shite and backed his way into the championship game in 2007 although he tried like hell to screw it up by losing to Kentucky and Arkansas and won a MNC with Saban’s players, and Saban won a MNC last year with Shuler’s players when he went undefeated in 2009 and undefeated in the regular season in 2008.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 2:15 pm to dreaux
I agree for the mOt part however we don't have a great running team
We are decent to pretty good and thys enough vs vandy and miss states of the. World but not enough when we play big boys
Sooner or later we are going to be forced to have our passing game wib one or two for us and imo our current situation isn't gonna cut it
We are decent to pretty good and thys enough vs vandy and miss states of the. World but not enough when we play big boys
Sooner or later we are going to be forced to have our passing game wib one or two for us and imo our current situation isn't gonna cut it
Posted on 9/22/10 at 2:16 pm to Poodlebrain
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What utter rubbish. LSU's offense with Miles as coach has been versatile and explosive when LSU has had effective QB play. Les Miles and Gary Crowton have not completely rewritten the playbook. They have been limited in their play selection by what the team can execute effectively. And the biggest limitation is Jefferson.
I see why you call yourself poodlebrain, because you do have a poodlebrain.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 2:16 pm to mike4lsu
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Miles is fundamentally committed to running the ball over passing in a power I or whatever with a few safe short passes here and there. Low risk, low reward. With superb recruiting, a good defense and the one dimensional run offense he will always beat the Miss. States, the Vandy's, the La. Tech's, the U-L-Ls, the La-Monroe's and win 8 games a year, get bowl eligible.
This will actually work if your defense is totally awesome and your running game is superb. The defense is certainly coming around and the running game improved but not enough to run the offense he is trying to run this year. It will fall apart vs a good defense or a team with a high scoring offense.
The running game is too predictable IMO. The offensive line is adequate but not good enough to do what Miles and Crowton have shown they want to do this year.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 2:28 pm to mike4lsu
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He is content on being a middle of the road SEC team
right. that's it.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 2:52 pm to ATR
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I have always maintained that with the exception of a few Crowton wrinkles, i.e., the pistol package and an option route package, the offense for the most part was Jimbo Fisher’s offense. Moreover, a package is a far cry from your entire passing and running offense being based off of his particular scheme. Nice try though.
Not sure where to start exactly with these ding dongs but here is as good a place as any.
OK so let me get this straight. It doesn't really matter who the OC for a team is, as long as he is using a scheme designed by a "good" OC. It doesn't matter who calls the plays or when, as long as he just has good plays to pick from. Hmmm....so all we need is just to watch film of good OC's copy their scheme then just put some drunk monkey in the booth picking out the plays at random and and in some players coached by Saban 3 years ago...and POOF..NC. Wow who knew it was sooooo EASY.
Now admit it, don't you feel stupid now that your position has been explained to you like that? No need to thank me...thats what I'm here for.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 2:57 pm to lsuexpert57
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he is the head coach and the head coach is ultimately responsible for all problems and success on the team.
Im sorry, did you just give Miles the "ultimate responsibility" for winning the NC in 2007? Ooops...now you've gone a painted yourself into a corner there chief.
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