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re: The problem is not with our offense is...

Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:44 am to
Posted by bayouawhiskey
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2005
377 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:44 am to
I agree the O is not terrible. They are not Ole Miss, but they are definitely not great either.

We have been winning against lesser competition. Our D and special teams have given us great field position and our point total is low.

I do blame it on Crowton, but it is not a good situation. When we face real competition (Bama, Arky, Auburn, Florida), we will need a passing game. We won't always be able to lead the game all the way, so we will need the passing game coming soon to win a game with limited time at the end. I am skeptical we could pull out a come from behind win in the 2 minute drill.

We will see...
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:44 am to
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FYI, after three games, we're 31st in the country and 3rd in the SEC in 3rd down conversions at 46.3%.


I really dont give a shite about that state considering its just a stat and doesnt tell you anything.

If Team A converts on 2nd down 90% of the time and only faces 3rd down a few times but didnt fare well on those 3rd downs THAT DOES NOT mean they are worse at moving the ball than a team that converts 50 or even 60% on 3rd down.

LSU simply isnt sustaining drives and controlling the clock as is the plan according to dreaux.





Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:44 am to
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When you fail to constantly convert 3rd and 5 you dont have much control of the clock now do you?


that is the limitations we need to work on.
Posted by TigerPanzer
Orlando
Member since Sep 2006
9476 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:48 am to
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Miles is fundamentally committed to running the ball over passing in a power I or whatever with a few safe short passes here and there. Low risk, low reward. With superb recruiting, a good defense and the one dimensional run offense he will always beat the Miss. States, the Vandy's, the La. Tech's, the U-L-Ls, the La-Monroe's and win 8 games a year, get bowl eligible.

So, if we had Colt McCoy as our QB, Miles would be committed to a dink-and-chink passing game? I mean no disrespect to Jefferson, but it's apparent Miles and Crowton believe he's not well suited to attempt many passes over 15 yards. Sure, I buy the fact that he's a run-first HC—most are I believe—but in this case, the coaches are tailoring the passing attack to the skills they perceive in the QB.

Just the same, I figure they'll have to open things up when we play Florida, Bama and Arky. We're not gonna run for 280 yards on those teams.
Posted by TiegerTim
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
3077 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:48 am to
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Because you have to control the clock and keep the other offense off the field. Miles seems to understand all this yet nobody else can. Amazing i tell you
what has the time of possession been for our three games so far? to buy to look it up.... but it seems as though the other teams are still running more plays than us....
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:48 am to
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LSU simply isnt sustaining drives and controlling the clock as is the plan according to dreaux.


well it is the idle plan and i never said we run the ball great, i think that is why it is being forced so much. Miles has always wanted to establish the running game first. it makes sense and is not as risky. However, a balanced offense is better and i thought our O was balanced for the most part against state. The problem was we did not have enough field to work with for alot of plays and our d was on the field to long. They need to run the ball better, with more creativity.

They did make progress in my eyes and i think this saturday will show us alot.
This post was edited on 9/22/10 at 11:50 am
Posted by Ultraclassictiger
Member since Jun 2010
419 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:49 am to
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He is content on being a middle of the road SEC team, the sort of Oklahoma State of the SEC West.


With all the negativity that some fans are bestowing on the program, do you really think he feels this way? No. He knows his arse will be gone if he just accomplishes what you are suggesting.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49043 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:50 am to
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I really dont give a shite about that state


I would imagine I would also try and ignore a stat that showed I didn't have the faintest idea what I was talking about.

quote:

considering its just a stat and doesnt tell you anything.


Actually, it tells us a magnitude of things. It tells us how successful we've been on coverting third downs (which was the subject matter of your post) and it compares that success rate with our counterparts.

And it certainly tells us more than some casual sport's fan subjective opinion of something he believes he perceives.

quote:

LSU simply isnt sustaining drives and controlling the clock as is the plan according to dreaux.


See . . . casual sport fan's subjective opinion completely unsupported evidence.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49043 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:52 am to
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what has the time of possession been for our three games so far? to buy to look it up.... but it seems as though the other teams are still running more plays than us....


It's been better than last year. Our average starting field position this season is having an affect on total yards and time of possession.

That isn't a bad thing.
Posted by WillieBeau
Zachary
Member since Sep 2010
124 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:52 am to
Basically running/ball control offenses are boring. You can go 13-0 and win a Nat'l Chmpship and people will still complain about the boring offense.

I do believe a top-notch QB would give Crowton and Miles more opportunity. Bottom line is Jefferson is just going to have to get the ball in the end zone no matter run or pass.
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:53 am to
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See . . . casual sport fan's subjective opinion completely unsupported evidence.


absolutley. I am mearly offering another point of view instead of jj sucks, crowton sucks, miles sucks, why are we not throwing the ball more, jl is better yada yada, bla, bla, bla.

This post was edited on 9/22/10 at 11:55 am
Posted by AntiAntiTiger
Member since Sep 2010
33 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:54 am to
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LSU simply isnt sustaining drives and controlling the clock as is the plan according to dreaux.


Uh, they punted one time in the State game and had no turnovers. SOMEBODY was not going 3 and out so your post =FAIL. Even the one punt was after a shep drop in the endzone or there would have been no punts.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49043 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:57 am to
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I do believe a top-notch QB would give Crowton and Miles more opportunity.


Crowton has run his option route offense since 2002 while he was the head coach at BYU. He ran it from 2002-2004 at BYU. In 2005, he moved to Oregon and installed some of it in Oregon's 2006 offense (Bellotti was an offensive X's and O's guy had a harness on Crowton while he was there). Prior to the 2008 season, Crowton installed his option route scheme here at LSU.

In that time, how many of the quarterbacks under that scheme played well?
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49043 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:58 am to
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Uh, they punted one time in the State game and had no turnovers.


One turnover.

Nine possessions

Five FGs

Two TDs

One fumble

One punt
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94725 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:59 am to
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Antonio Moss


have to tell you that I enjoy reading your posts. It's like people run into a brick wall when they try to debate most of the info you post.
Posted by AntiAntiTiger
Member since Sep 2010
33 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:00 pm to
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Florida, Bama and Arky. We're not gonna run for 280 yards on those teams.


you are overrating arkansas. They have no running game, special teams are poor and defense didn't just go from bad to good overnight. I would guess arkansas defense is not as good as state or vandy.
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:00 pm to
also think about for a second everything JL put the team through. During his starting time is was more then pick six's that ended his starting job. He basically divided the whole team. Players bitching and complaining, the defense was frustrated and everyone was out of sinc.

He gives jj the reins and the team rallies around him, he does not make the same mistakes as JL and has the players respect. there is more unity, and probably less complaining and bitching. Also, it helps the d play better because he is not constantly turning it over. Matter of fact, it's quite possible that jj may not even be better then jl, but the team might play BETTER for jj then jl. This of course is imo, and i could be completely wrong.

maybe miles is terrified of what could happen if he starts, which is why he probably wants to get JJ as much game time as possible.

I would also be more comfortable with JJ in a big game vs jl.

But yeah, JL can throw better. whoooopppeee!
This post was edited on 9/22/10 at 12:02 pm
Posted by Dead Fish
In the swamps
Member since Mar 2010
1586 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:00 pm to
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DF, you have a QB that just isn't a good decision maker. Period. So, you simplify the decisions to be made, and run the ball.


Well then if he isn’t a good decision maker according to your absurd speculation, then why isn’t his backup the starter? I agree that the option route passing scheme isn’t worth a shite since it is extremely hard for the QBs and the receivers to get on the same page, but it doesn’t mean JJ is a poor decision maker, it means that the scheme isn’t worth a shite!

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I don't know how anybody else can put that to you, because that's definitely what's going on.


Really? According to you JJ is just too dumb and so he is a poor decision maker, but the coaches have this secret conspiracy against JL so they play JJ anyway. Yeah…that’s very plausible.

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Only thing that drives me insane....3rd and 5 and...checkdown. Fail. That's not on the OC though, that's on the QB


Don’t lose your day job, because in this economy you won’t find another!
Posted by mt1
LV
Member since Nov 2006
7658 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:02 pm to
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Uh, they punted one time in the State game and had no turnovers. SOMEBODY was not going 3 and out so your post =FAIL. Even the one punt was after a shep drop in the endzone or there would have been no punts.


I believe what he meant was that we had to settle for field goals. We did not get the first downs and happened to be in field goal ranger when we were stopped. Therefore, instead of punts we had field goals. We got stopped plenty of times. When you start at your own 47 and can't score on 5+ separate drives, you have a problem(s).
Posted by AntiAntiTiger
Member since Sep 2010
33 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:02 pm to
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One turnover


forgot about blue's fumble at the end of the game.
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