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re: The OL is the main offensive problem as exampled here
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:29 am to tigerdup07
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:29 am to tigerdup07
quote:
...I've never seen a QB take a five step drop from the shotgun.
I've been saying the same thing the last 2 weeks. Lined up in shotgun 5 yards deep - JJ with his long legs drops back 5 more steps (7+ yards more). HE IS NOW 12+ yards behind the LOS! No offensive tackle can block the DE coming off the edge that deep. JJ then steps back up 4 yards where he is sacked for an 8 yard loss. I don't know if this is him dropping back too far (or a designed deep drop), but when it takes him so long to go back that deep, and then has to step back up to avoid the rush he has no chance to find his receivers down field. Twice on the replay from above RR ran down the sideline with no one within 10 yards of him while JJ was sacked.
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Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:31 am to Tomm
We need widen splits would be a good step in the right direction... especially when our passing plays come in obvious pass situations.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:32 am to bfniii
Yeah, I am most disappointed this year in the play of Ciron Black along the OL. He is being stunted or blitzed on that side...he flat out is missing his block. For a guy who was considered All-SEC preseason, his SEC stock and draft stock is dropping fast. He is one of the guys who is being beat like a drum off the LOS.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:32 am to aglandry
quote:the question is, replace them with who? the replacements might actually be worse!
replace those who can't pass or run block
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:35 am to Roach
quote:
JJ holding the ball to long is the main problem.
Reasons:
Afraid of turnovers, a big emphasis after last year.
Unable to work through progressions fast enough.
No relief receiver available.
Solutions:
Lee with quick release.
More three step drops.
quote:
The OL is the main offensive problem
They have been a disappointment so far.
So, get rid of the ball quicker to help them out.
Draw plays and screens to slow the rush.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:35 am to Tomm
i hate to oversimplify things but, i just don't understand what's going on with ciron. he's getting clearly beat man to man on pass plays. that's just a matter of effort. i guess we don't have anybody better to replace him with.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:35 am to aglandry
I don't know about that. It is easy to watch Ciron Black since he is on the end of the line and he flat out is doing matador blocking a lot this year. One play in the Florida game, HIS guy just ran right around him like his feet were stuck in cement. He barely touched the guy. Also, Black was had some illegal procedure penalties called against him this year. He doesn't seem focused for some reason.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:36 am to bfniii
quote:
it definitely is a problem but we can't tell how many times he would have the opportunity to get rid of it on time if the o line were pass blocking worth a darn
Watch the replay and I want you to count in your head 1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi...If you get to 3 Mississippi and JJ is still holding the ball then it's too long. Against UF you have to get rid of the ball in 3 seconds even if they rush 4...hell even if the rush 3, they are that good on the DL.
Putting all the games in perspective JJ is the problem. Defenses stack 8+ in the box because JJ won't beat you. The OL can't block all those people. It's just impossible. If JJ would scare defenses then it would be a different story.
It sometimes is difficult to tell to the untrained eye what the problem is, but when you see that 8 are in the box every play...then you know that opposing defenses just don't respect the pass.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:37 am to Teacher
Yes, all the offensive coaches got big raises which of course the sports press is writing about...for good reason. Still doesn't mean they will have their jobs at the end of the year.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:38 am to Good Times
You're right about everything except the Lee quick release solution.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:38 am to Good Times
quote:um, no way. lee might be the greatest person in the world but there's no way i want him even close to the field. if he's our solution, we're in BIG TROUBLE
Solutions:
Lee with quick release.
quote:yep. can't disagree there.
So, get rid of the ball quicker to help them out. Draw plays and screens to slow the rush.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:39 am to bfniii
I have seen him have illegal procedure penalties, holding penalties, get beat with hardly a touch on his guy, etc? Hope there isn't a medical issue with him, but right now, he isn't close to All-SEC. He is barely an SEC starting caliber OL period.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:40 am to bfniii
jefferson's habits are compounding the offensive line blocking problems. His reputation of holding on to the ball only invites more pass rush. His long excessive drops only invite outside speed rushers who outrun the tackle 15 yards to the area of the field where our quarterback should never be. The more film other teams watch the worse this will get.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:41 am to DoubleDeuce
quote:
Watch the replay and I want you to count in your head 1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi...If you get to 3 Mississippi and JJ is still holding the ball then it's too long. Against UF you have to get rid of the ball in 3 seconds even if they rush 4...hell even if the rush 3, they are that good on the DL.
Nonsense, that stat is only for a pocket passer. If you are rolling out, you don't have the 3 second limitation. Oh, and if you aren't getting pressure then you HAVE to throw it after 3 second regardless, uh? That is what you said!
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:41 am to DoubleDeuce
quote:jefferson would look totally different with a decent o line. he's not "the" problem. i think we have a domino effect. get the pass blocking down and we can pass. the georgia game is proof. get the passing game down, that opens the run. get the run game going, you can control the clock. control the clock with our d, you win games.
Putting all the games in perspective JJ is the problem
quote:i'm talking about pass plays where individual linemen get beat in a one on one situation. it's just effort and pride. they don't have it right now for whatever reason.
The OL can't block all those people
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:42 am to Good Times
Along with draw plays and screen plays please add: counter plays, quick trap plays, plus man in motion end around and fakes.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:44 am to bfniii
Yeah, I laughed when I saw the claim about Lee and "quick release" 
For the record, Jefferson doesn't have one either. As far as draws go, I don't like those when you can't block anybody. They are just going to run into the rushers. I do like screens....flair passes...counter options...end arounds....reverses....QB draws, etc. Many plays are used against an overwhelming DL. LSU isn't the first team in NCAA history to have a poor OL.
For the record, Jefferson doesn't have one either. As far as draws go, I don't like those when you can't block anybody. They are just going to run into the rushers. I do like screens....flair passes...counter options...end arounds....reverses....QB draws, etc. Many plays are used against an overwhelming DL. LSU isn't the first team in NCAA history to have a poor OL.Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:45 am to brownjuco
quote:
jefferson's habits are compounding the offensive line blocking problems. His reputation of holding on to the ball only invites more pass rush. His long excessive drops only invite outside speed rushers who outrun the tackle 15 yards to the area of the field where our quarterback should never be. The more film other teams watch the worse this will get.
You're right... insofar as you make accurate observations without simply making ridiculous statements blaming everything on the QB. So why are we doing this? That's the question. Can our offensive line be that bad? I think you're onto something if you're implying that other teams know what we're doing, and what we're doing does not lend itself to the kind of football where it doesn't matter.
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 10:46 am
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