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The O-line
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:01 pm
IMO, is the main problem. Some of you may think it's JJ, but not me. I want you to watch 1:39 in this vid. The line absolutely collapses. Also, notice T-Bob Hebert get completely run through by a D-lineman. One of the lineman doesn't even pick up a block: I don't know, maybe he was waiting for a blitz by a linebacker.
Now watch 1:44. Three D-lineman! They completely penetrate right through our 5 O-lineman. Wow. Now, we did go up against probably the best defensive line we'll probably face all year, but from just watching those videos, it seems our o-line is just not giving JJ the necessary time do his thing. I agree, JJ does take longer than normal to get rid of the ball, but I think that will slowly be fixed with time.
The one thing I like about JJ over Lee, now Lee might have changed this habit over the year, but watch 2:06. JJ clearly scans the field. I think this is what keeps JJ from throwing a bunch of INTs. From watching the video, it looked like Florida had our WRs covered pretty well on that play, but still, common sense shows JJ should of at least threw it up for grabs on that play.
Straight put, Strudrawa needs to go after this year, plain and simple.
Anyways, give JJ some time and I think he can become a great QB, Whether it's in the pocket or life in general. Like everyone says, the kid just turned 19.
- my 2 cents.
Now watch 1:44. Three D-lineman! They completely penetrate right through our 5 O-lineman. Wow. Now, we did go up against probably the best defensive line we'll probably face all year, but from just watching those videos, it seems our o-line is just not giving JJ the necessary time do his thing. I agree, JJ does take longer than normal to get rid of the ball, but I think that will slowly be fixed with time.
The one thing I like about JJ over Lee, now Lee might have changed this habit over the year, but watch 2:06. JJ clearly scans the field. I think this is what keeps JJ from throwing a bunch of INTs. From watching the video, it looked like Florida had our WRs covered pretty well on that play, but still, common sense shows JJ should of at least threw it up for grabs on that play.
Straight put, Strudrawa needs to go after this year, plain and simple.
Anyways, give JJ some time and I think he can become a great QB, Whether it's in the pocket or life in general. Like everyone says, the kid just turned 19.
- my 2 cents.
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Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:09 pm to Jsoula
I agree with you about this!
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:12 pm to Jsoula
in the clip, JJ could have stepped up and had all day
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:16 pm to HDTigers
go to the :30 mark and watch u frick stick....they play well at times too
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:18 pm to Jsoula
@ the 1:39 mark the ball is snapped from the 20, and JJ looks up to throw from the 9. To much space for the O-line to protect and for the D-line to maneuver. To much time before the QB even looks up at the receivers. I still don't understand this dropping so far back and having your back to the field of play. This happens on non--PA as well.
The next play:
How 65 lets 94 try to slip by is beyond me, but also look at the QB in relation to the defenders or the pocket.
The next play:
How 65 lets 94 try to slip by is beyond me, but also look at the QB in relation to the defenders or the pocket.
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:26 pm to Rustontiger43
Well I don't think we get that type of play from our o-line often. 
or else JJ would be gashing Ds
or else JJ would be gashing Ds
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:28 pm to Jsoula
Correct and I timed the two sacks around that time period and he didn't even have 3 seconds. His drop was fine and he had no place to step up. Those who say are did are delusional!! He was surrounded and by the time he was looking for a WR, he was sacked. Just more PROOF that Jefferson's drop is NOT the problem... the lack of OL blocking and the total lack of a pocket is. Thanks for posting this...conclusive evident that what I've been saying and most of this forum is absolutely correct!
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:29 pm to HDTigers
Absurd!! All that stepping up does is to credit the sack to ANOTHER rusher who got by an LSU OL.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:33 pm to Tomm
There is no doubt that most of the problems are comming because the o-line is struggling. After saying that, JJ isn't exactly setting the world on fire. If we had a good running game, then JJ would have more time and could find more open wr's.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:34 pm to Tomm
the stepping up argument is valid fwiw
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:35 pm to BulkLogan1
quote:
There is no doubt that most of the problems are comming because the o-line is struggling. After saying that, JJ isn't exactly setting the world on fire. If we had a good running game, then JJ would have more time and could find more open wr's.
I agree the O-line is struggling, but I don't think having the QB drop back so far is the way to correct it. I don't blame JJ for the drop back, that is on the coaches for running that style of Offense. Clearly, our O-line is not athletic enough to run a drop that deep.
ETA: What I'm saying is having the QB run with his back to the filed for 6 or seven yards to start the play, doesn't seem like a good idea.
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:37 pm to BulkLogan1
quote:
There is no doubt that most of the problems are comming because the o-line is struggling. After saying that, JJ isn't exactly setting the world on fire. If we had a good running game, then JJ would have more time and could find more open wr's.
Absolutely correct, sir. But amazingly Jefferson gets complaints about not throwing the ball away. I would much rather have sacks than INTs run back for TDs. Been there...done that! And you are correct about the lack of a running game. That is why I was pretty sure very early it was the OL and potentially the OC. What is the common factor between not being able to pass the ball and not being able to run the ball?
On the field....the OL!
Off the field...the playcalling by the OC which is either too predictable or doesn't try to slow down the DL across the LOS!
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:38 pm to HDTigers
Not on the two clips that I just watched. There was no place to step up because one guy was coming from the right end into the middle of what should have been the pocket...I believe that was the 2nd clip.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:45 pm to Tomm
The OL is the most underperforming position/unit on the team for the first 6 games. Would it help if our QB had better pocket presence etc..Yes. Nevertheless, there are just times when its a complete jailbreak...and this happens way too much.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:47 pm to HDTigers
Just rewatched the two sacks around 1:39 and then slightly after that:
1)1st sack...41 off left side was blocked but two guys on the right side were getting free early...the only open area I saw was "below" the left side block but the problem is a Florida LBer was looking right at him...if he runs that direction he will go right for him....Jefferson steps up forward and gets tackled in what should have been the center of the pocket
Fault: 100% the OL, no fault to Jefferson whatsoever
2) 41 got an ole block from Barksdale I think...RT...was barely touched....center of the line caved in so you can't step up there unless you want to give Hebert a knee injury...51 for Florida closes off right side
Fault: 100% the OL, no way Jefferson gets away when 3 guys from 3 different directions are caving in on the guy
1)1st sack...41 off left side was blocked but two guys on the right side were getting free early...the only open area I saw was "below" the left side block but the problem is a Florida LBer was looking right at him...if he runs that direction he will go right for him....Jefferson steps up forward and gets tackled in what should have been the center of the pocket
Fault: 100% the OL, no fault to Jefferson whatsoever
2) 41 got an ole block from Barksdale I think...RT...was barely touched....center of the line caved in so you can't step up there unless you want to give Hebert a knee injury...51 for Florida closes off right side
Fault: 100% the OL, no way Jefferson gets away when 3 guys from 3 different directions are caving in on the guy
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:51 pm to Tomm
Everybody is missing it. The problem is a shitty game plan and not playing to our strengths more. This so-called offense we are running is the most confusing thing ever and the way that plays are called in where everyone knows what their assignment is 3 seconds before the playclock runs out is absolute garbage. You could be fricking Erik Andolsek and have problems firing off the ball when you have been crouching and turning your head waiting for the play and the line calls. Good luck. If there isn't a major change in offensive PHILOSOPHY we are in for more of this shite.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:51 pm to SJTiger
quote:
The OL is the most underperforming position/unit on the team for the first 6 games. Would it help if our QB had better pocket presence etc..Yes. Nevertheless, there are just times when its a complete jailbreak...and this happens way too much.
Pocket presence is not an issue because for that to occur you must have a pocket. James Varney (TP) has correctly stated there is no defined pocket. I'm NOT an OC but maybe I know more than Crowton...we may all know more than Crowton since we learn from umteen OC every weekend. The ONLY thing I might try other than misdirections that I have been preaching many times to make the DL and LBers hesistate is to roll Jefferson to a predefined side...they can change that from side to side on different plays. That way, you concentrate on only half of the rushers since you hope the other DE and DT aren't going to get there in time.
I will say I saw them do that one time in the Florida game I believe and the analyst mentioned that what ended up happening was that Jefferson ended up running back into the DE from that off side. That was Jefferson's fault since if you do what I suggest you can NOT reverse field when you have told the OL not to worry about that guy.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:56 pm to Jsoula
T-Bob Hebert always gets run through, that is nothing new. I just wonder why is he still at center. Could it be that his dad is Bobby Hebert with a microphone in his hand on the radio.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:58 pm to Jsoula
A caller to Bobby Hebert and Deek made an excellent point today. The way the coaches send in plays and all the players are looking to side lines for the call, they line up for the play, Jefferson and other players look back again to the coaches for more signals.
What are the odds of one of these 11 guys reading a signal wrong from the coaches and screwing up the play?
What are the odds of one of these 11 guys reading a signal wrong from the coaches and screwing up the play?
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 10/13/09 at 6:59 pm to Tomm
The rollout also occurred in georgia game and Jefferson stopped and was caught form behind. Might not work all the time.
In my opinion the problem is the o-line which puts pressure on JJ, who is young and afraid to make a mistake. In the video our lineman are on the ground. You can't really block from the ground.
In my opinion the problem is the o-line which puts pressure on JJ, who is young and afraid to make a mistake. In the video our lineman are on the ground. You can't really block from the ground.
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