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re: The Myth of LSU-Oregon 2011. Lee was terrible.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:54 am to LSU Groupee
Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:54 am to LSU Groupee
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You mean, lets bring in a QB who has a history of abject failure against the team we are playing in hope that Alabama wouldn't eat Lee alive as they had done 95% of the time in has career against them?
You're right. Sticking with something that obviously was not working in the most important game of the year was the better choice.
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:19 am to LSUalreadyknow
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So what. All I'm going to say is Les was terrible for not letting Lee play in national championship instead letting tPOS Jefferson screw it up
totally agree.
BTW, up until the AL game, LEE and LSU were undefeated....
one interception was all the Les needed to bring back Jefferson forever
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:24 am to Tiger Voodoo
quote:JJ had occasional good games but then would follow up with a clusterfrick or two...he was never consistent and he was NEVER a good QB. Neither was Lee. Because JJ had one good game or two doesn't magically make him "better" year over year. If he had gotten better he would have made it in the CFL, for Christ's sakes. The argument that JL 'never' was good against Bama, as if they somehow had a magic wand that kept Lee from being good against them as a reason for not putting him in the NC game when JJ was a complete disaster is laughable and strains credibility.
And for the "the O got worse under JJ" crew that appear to have slept in the day after Thanksgiving, there was our best day of O and JJ having the best day of any LSU QB in 2011 against #3 Arkansas with the West on the line AGAIN.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:38 am to rbdallas
quote:As were JJ and LSU.....point not seen.
BTW, up until the AL game, LEE and LSU were undefeated....
quote:2 in 7 attempts and you know how coaches value ball security.
one interception was all the Les needed to bring back Jefferson forever
Others have ridden the pine for much less.
I don't think an immobile Lee wwas a viable option vs '11 Bama, but Les should've feinted his possible use by giving him series in the blowouts between 11-5 and 1-9, just to keep Saban off balance and show something elsse to prepare for.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:42 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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The argument that JL 'never' was good against Bama, as if they somehow had a magic wand that kept Lee from being good against them as a reason for not putting him in the NC game when JJ was a complete disaster is laughable and strains credibility.
You are right.
Let's take our the guy who directed LSU to wins in 2010 and 2011 against Alabama and try the guy with the 60 career passing efficiency and the 15 passing efficiency he obtained just in 11/2011 against Alabama.
That has so much more credibility.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:46 am to LSU Groupee
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That has so much more credibility.
So your actual failure situation has more credibility than a hypothetical failure scenario. Got it. I'll give you a couple of these
in response. Posted on 7/29/13 at 12:04 pm to Mo Jeaux
when you are running up the middle down 21 with 7:30 left i dont think jesus christ could save you in that game. how can you all blame jj or jlee? you think he would put lee in and wham start passing and at that pass sucessfully. i like miles. i like jj and lee. why cant we all just admit les shite the bed and move on. its les responsibilty to play best players and prepare them to the best of their ability. they were not. it was bs we even had to play them so we crapped the bed and gave espn what they wanted. the downfall of the bcs. not putting in lee in the 4th was bullshite. i mesn shite what was there to lose. maybe les knew though. that lee would be a martyr. well all elevate him to something he never was all because of that image of him suited up with helmet on just watching. erin andrews or whoever stirring the shite pot.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 12:12 pm to Mayhawman
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I don't think an immobile Lee wwas a viable option vs '11 Bama
That's always been my thoughts on this issue and the why JL struggled so much vs. Bama.
Having JL back there with the Bama D knowing he was not going to run/move much would have made it much like shooting fish in a barrel.
Bottom line to me, LSU loss this game at the LOS and not cause of who the QB was or wasn't.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 12:20 pm to LSU Groupee
quote:By the 2nd quarter 'the guy' was a shell of his former self and basically a walking zombie out there. He literally did not do one thing right from the opening play where he fumbled the snap, so yeah, I'd like to try another option.
Let's take our the guy who directed LSU to wins in 2010 and 2011 against Alabama
Imagine if Lee (or Mett) had come in an completed a few of those passes, which would then have opened up the running game and caused Bama to back off of the line, the game could have changed, it was only a 9 point game at that point.
This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 7/29/13 at 12:24 pm to AlaTiger
I don't think anyone suggested that Lee was awesome. He completed a few ugly passes, led a couple of key drives, and that is all we needed from him.
With our defense, special teams and running game we choked the life out of them from there.
With our defense, special teams and running game we choked the life out of them from there.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 12:25 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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Tiger_n_ATL
Both QBs were terrible. One fricked up in worse ways than the other.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 12:28 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
With Lee at QB the rest of the offense performed better. The receivers put up better numbers and the RBs had more yardage.
With JJ at QB, receivers' production dropped off, and the running game was not as dominant.
JJ may have had the best game against Arkansas, but he had a far worse performance than Lee could have ever had against both UGA and Bama.
With JJ at QB, receivers' production dropped off, and the running game was not as dominant.
JJ may have had the best game against Arkansas, but he had a far worse performance than Lee could have ever had against both UGA and Bama.
This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 7/29/13 at 12:28 pm to Mo Jeaux
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hypothetical failure scenario.
Come on, dude. Let it go.
The LSU staff knew the two guys 100 times better than anyone here and they went with Jefferson.
Just as they went with Lee in the first eight games.
Lee showed to anyway with their head not shoved into the sand in November that he still couldn't handle the Alabama defense and for that reason he stayed on the bench.
Let it go.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 12:37 pm to LSU Groupee
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Come on, dude. Let it go.
Brah, all I'm doing is stating my opinion. Believe me, I have let go of our horrible stretch of QB performance from the JL/JJ era. I just find it funny that so many of you JJ lovers so adamantly defend him. I'm far from a JL proponent. They were both mediocre at best. I just believe that when one thing doesn't work, you should at least try something different.
That being said, I wish both JL and JJ the best.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 12:49 pm to AlaTiger
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AlaTiger
This thread is ambiguous. If it is merely meant as yet another affirmation of the well-established fact that the 2011 team was carried by its special teams and defense, then the thread is obvious, but at least true. The 2011 offense wasn't elite. It was ranked in the bottom half of the nation. We haven't had a potent offense since 2008.
If the thread was intended as some sort of oblique, sub rosa justification for the way that the staff handled the quarterback situation in the latter half of 2011 (including the NCG), then it is illogical nonsense.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 12:49 pm to Chimlim
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With JJ at QB, receivers' production dropped off, and the running game was not as dominant.
In 2011 LSU averaged scoring more points and gaining more yds after the Bama game and though the Ga game than they did in their 1st 8 games.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 12:54 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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In 2011 LSU averaged scoring more points and gaining more yds after the Bama game and though the Ga game than they did in their 1st 8 games
Out of curiosity, what where the final defensive rankings of the post Bama defenses in comparison to the final defensive rankings of the pre Bama defenses?
Posted on 7/29/13 at 12:58 pm to Chimlim
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With Lee at QB the rest of the offense performed better. The receivers put up better numbers and the RBs had more yardage.
With JJ at QB, receivers' production dropped off, and the running game was not as dominant.
Uh, no they didn't, and that's easily proven by looking at the stats. You just made that up and tried to present it as a fact when the exact opposite is true.
The LSU offense had the most yards of the year against Western Kentucky, Ole Miss, and Arkansas. Production increased.
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JJ may have had the best game against Arkansas, but he had a far worse performance than Lee could have ever had against both UGA and Bama.
JJ on 1/9: 11/17 53 3.1 0 1 44 yards rushing
Lee on 11/5: 3/7 24 3.4 0 2
Posted on 7/29/13 at 12:58 pm to Tiger Voodoo
They were both terrible QBs. No where near the caliber QB we should have as a top 5 program.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 12:59 pm to The312
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justification for the way that the staff handled the quarterback situation in the latter half of 2011 (including the NCG), then it is illogical nonsense.
Fans who think any staff which goes 13-0, 9-0 in the SEC and #1 ranked in the BCS need "justification" are themselves in need of sports mental health treatment. imo
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