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Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:24 am to just me
I'm just trying to figure out which part of the offense needs to come of age. Is it the Junior quarterback who just finished his 17th start? The Senior wide receiver or the two sophomores with decent playing experience? O-lines gel over the summer and during the season. Sucks that Blackwell went down early, but the line has played pretty well thus far.
I don't put all of last week's woes on Jefferson. It was painfully obvious that the coaching staff was trying to protect him. In my opinion he didn't need it. Anyone who has watched him play knows that the Vandy game was an anomaly. But even with that, he just seems to lack the "it" factor.
I'm not advocating that Jarrett Lee start, but I feel that with 10 minutes to go in the 4th with a comfortable lead, you should put in your back-up so he can at least run the full offense. People dump on him for how he played against Alabama last year, but prior to coming in to a tight game late in the third quarter he had thrown 8 passes all season.
Maybe more playing time would have made him better, maybe not. We'll never know, but that's bad management in my opinion. And it seems as though the same thing is happening this year.
I don't put all of last week's woes on Jefferson. It was painfully obvious that the coaching staff was trying to protect him. In my opinion he didn't need it. Anyone who has watched him play knows that the Vandy game was an anomaly. But even with that, he just seems to lack the "it" factor.
I'm not advocating that Jarrett Lee start, but I feel that with 10 minutes to go in the 4th with a comfortable lead, you should put in your back-up so he can at least run the full offense. People dump on him for how he played against Alabama last year, but prior to coming in to a tight game late in the third quarter he had thrown 8 passes all season.
Maybe more playing time would have made him better, maybe not. We'll never know, but that's bad management in my opinion. And it seems as though the same thing is happening this year.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:24 am to Lsupimp
quote:In my opinion, the offense was far more constrained in various ways against MSU than it will be in the future.
I'm not saying we won't see a wrinkle or two down the stretch but, basically with this offense imho, what you see is what you get.
We are who we are.
In my opinion, the offense will open up a little more against WVU than it did against MSU.
The offense will open up even more against Tennessee, Florida, McNeese, Auburn, and Bama.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:25 am to just me
quote:
When LSU lines up with the best, LSU will have to throw it and run it, and LSU will be prepared to do that.
You are offering an assertion or a theory or a belief.
I hope your assertion gets some logical meat on its bones as the season progresses, as we would all love to see this come to fruition.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:25 am to TIGERSby10
quote:
For as poor as everyone believes this offense is, we are averaging 28.6 points per game
Not hard to do when your defense gives you a bunch of turnovers and a short field to cover. When you look at the picture as a whole one will realize it's not impressive.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:27 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:
No in fact we were somewhat above average against weak teams but then our struggles showed up against the elite teams and we ended with an abyssmal overall ranking.
Until Scott and Jefferson were both knocked out of the game, the offense was actually doing just fine against Bama. Furthermore, do you remember the State, Vandy , and Tech game last year? We were not above average against weak teams and we could not run on anyone with the exception of Tulane. Seriously, if you compare the two State games the difference between the two are night and day. We only managed 30 rushing yards on 31 attempts last year. This year, 167 on 39 attempts.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:27 am to TIGERSby10
quote:so you think the offense is doing fine??
For as poor as everyone believes this offense is, we are averaging 28.6 points per game against middle of the pack teams (not cupcakes/but not good teams).
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:28 am to just me
quote:
The offense will open up even more against Tennessee, Florida, McNeese, Auburn, and Bama.
To bad history is not on your side. I hope you're right but I won't be holding my breath with you.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:30 am to TiegerTim
quote:
so you think the offense is doing fine??
I think people are reading too much into the statistics from the state game.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:30 am to just me
Like Russel Shepard admitted, the receivers bare a great deal of the "fault" so far this year. They WILL come around and JJ's stats will magically become impressive.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:32 am to TIGERSby10
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Reminds me of Denny Green...
People laugh because of who he is and how emotional that rant was but it's one of the most completely true rants ever. You are who you are. You might have a mistmatch against one team you can exploit or you might play a better game one week but at the end of the day, you are who you are as a team.
And to those saying we held things close to the vest against MSU to protect our QB, I have two questions for you:
1. Why the fvck do we need to protect a QB who is in his third year with the program and has been the starter for two offseasons?
2. If we are in fact protecting him, why are we protecting him against MSU/Vandy but gonna open him up against superior teams like Bama/Florida? It makes zero sense. Wouldn't you wanna open it up against a team you know you can beat so you know if you can be aggressive or if you hafta play it safe against the big boys?
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:38 am to just me
Just Me, I wish i could feel that way.
I have no faith in JJ that he will light up defenses with is passing game.
But, I still feel like a
I have no faith in JJ that he will light up defenses with is passing game.
But, I still feel like a
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:39 am to Carolinacajun
i can agree with the OP a bit saying that the offense is maturing a bit. we will have a better offense than last year. its pretty obvious.
as for the "sandbagging" or "holding back" i dont think its untrue in a way. against msu there was no reason for jefferson to start slinging 80 yard bombs. the one long throw they did have him take was dropped. but other than looking for him to get intercepted, there was no reason to start bombing it out. everyone on here says that we need to throw it deep to keep the defense honest, but when they are having trouble stopping you and you have absolutely no reason to try to "catch up" because of your stellar D, then why not just keep pounding the rock and the clock?
this offense will not be great, but they will improve. i think the coaches have realized that we have a killer defense and just need the offense to shorten the game for them and score some points. as long as our offense doesnt turn the ball over, the defense should be able to keep all of our opponents to low scores which means the offense has much less work to do
just have a little faith people, even if its blind, its better than despair.
as for the "sandbagging" or "holding back" i dont think its untrue in a way. against msu there was no reason for jefferson to start slinging 80 yard bombs. the one long throw they did have him take was dropped. but other than looking for him to get intercepted, there was no reason to start bombing it out. everyone on here says that we need to throw it deep to keep the defense honest, but when they are having trouble stopping you and you have absolutely no reason to try to "catch up" because of your stellar D, then why not just keep pounding the rock and the clock?
this offense will not be great, but they will improve. i think the coaches have realized that we have a killer defense and just need the offense to shorten the game for them and score some points. as long as our offense doesnt turn the ball over, the defense should be able to keep all of our opponents to low scores which means the offense has much less work to do
just have a little faith people, even if its blind, its better than despair.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:39 am to Carolinacajun
quote:
JJ's stats will magically become impressive.
I wouldn't go that far. However, I do think we are capable of scoring 20-30 against good teams. We have a couple guys with big play potential whenever they touch the ball and we should be able to drive down the field a couple times a game. If we can start getting first downs when we need them late in the 4th quarter, we will be alright.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:41 am to Carolinacajun
quote:
Like Russel Shepard admitted, the receivers bare a great deal of the "fault" so far this year. They WILL come around and JJ's stats will magically become impressive.
This was a PR statement. It affects them catching the ball when they are not sure where it will be thrown.
I think Crowton and Miles needs to throw it around to help JJ get more comfortable throwing it his recievers. if they do not, it will be a long rest of the season
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:41 am to just me
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When LSU lines up with the best, LSU will have to throw it and run it, and LSU will be prepared to do that
I really hope youre right, but we all said this same thing prior to looking dismal against UF last season.
Im not the biggest JJ fan, but I think people forget he CAN throw for some yardage. He had decent YPG last season.
I guess the OL got so much better that Les felt he could go back to the run run run wear them out style; or he obviously wanted to limit the risk of JJ throwing picks. All of which has worked thus far; but we all know were not walking through the tackles for 250 yards against Bama, UF, WVU, Auburn.
I'll be curious to see what kind of calls we see this weekend.
This post was edited on 9/23/10 at 11:43 am
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:45 am to Jason
quote:
When you look at the picture as a whole one will realize it's not impressive
right... its rather unimpressive that our average starting posistion was MSSTs 46 yard line, and we had to settle for 5 FGs.
On average, we only had to go what, 15 yards?
I could unsderstand conseravative play calling deep in your own terrirory, but we played most of that game in theirs.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:49 am to Jason
quote:We didn't have this running game last year.
To bad history is not on your side.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:55 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:Because he had a horrible Vandy game, a game that was only the second game of the season and anomalous for Jefferson.
And to those saying we held things close to the vest against MSU to protect our QB, I have two questions for you:
1. Why the fvck do we need to protect a QB who is in his third year with the program and has been the starter for two offseasons?
quote:I never said that Jefferson was protected in the Vandy game. I said that the coaches were trying to develop his confidence in the MSU game.
If we are in fact protecting him, why are we protecting him against MSU/Vandy but gonna open him up against superior teams like Bama/Florida?
quote:Sometimes you have to take a step back before you can take a step forward. Jefferson was pressing in the Vandy game. Maybe he was sick. Maybe he was having an off day. Doesn't matter. He was OBVIOUSLY pressing. So it makes perfect sense to put him into a situation where he doesn't press.
It makes zero sense.
quote:There are more games to play.
Wouldn't you wanna open it up against a team you know you can beat so you know if you can be aggressive or if you hafta play it safe against the big boys?
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:58 am to just me
While I admire your optimism and always agree with you philosophically on these things, I think the EVIDENCE points to them gettin the current offense as efficient as possible.
A wrinkle here, a wrinkle there...
We will remain a power running team that scratches out first downs through the roll-out pass, imho.
To complement that we can integrate Shep into the offense and get that big play more often.
We are not, and will not be a deep drop passing team as it does not fit JJ's core competencies.
Neither will we suddenly begin to run the wildcat or something similar.
We will experiment each game with our existing offense, try to get that lead, and then BANG away with the run and the short/mid level passing game with JJ rolling out.
And we will continue to WIN with it and pile up the victories.
I have made my peace with this offense and take solace in the fact that we may have 1)the best D, 2) Special teams, and 3) big playmakers we've had in years.
A wrinkle here, a wrinkle there...
We will remain a power running team that scratches out first downs through the roll-out pass, imho.
To complement that we can integrate Shep into the offense and get that big play more often.
We are not, and will not be a deep drop passing team as it does not fit JJ's core competencies.
Neither will we suddenly begin to run the wildcat or something similar.
We will experiment each game with our existing offense, try to get that lead, and then BANG away with the run and the short/mid level passing game with JJ rolling out.
And we will continue to WIN with it and pile up the victories.
I have made my peace with this offense and take solace in the fact that we may have 1)the best D, 2) Special teams, and 3) big playmakers we've had in years.
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