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Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:17 pm to Powerman
Dan has basically backed himself in a corner and will forever try to justify his position. Sometimes just admitting you are wrong is much much easier.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Dan has basically backed himself in a corner and will forever try to justify his position. Sometimes just admitting you are wrong is much much easier.
I appreciate your attempts to label me, I really do.
However, you are far more inaccurate than you think you are.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
It's just absurd to combine his career stats and say that is the quality of QB he was as a senior.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:24 pm to OBUDan
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However, you are far more inaccurate than you think you are.
Right...says the guy who thinks that Lee's career stats are relevant to the caliber of player he was as a senior.
You might be able to frame a decent argument against a complete dumb arse but you're not going to slip stupid bullshite like that by me.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:26 pm to OBUDan
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I appreciate your attempts to label me, I really do.
However, you are far more inaccurate than you think you are.
Think I am spot on here.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:28 pm to Powerman
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Right...says the guy who thinks that Lee's career stats are relevant to the caliber of player he was as a senior.
He said before the season started that Lee was a terrible QB who could never do anything good at LSU, basically. Now, he finds it impossible to veer too far and admit he was very wrong. Some people are just prideful and stubborn. He is constantly trying to minimize anything Lee has done at LSU.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
He also bought into Obama as hard core as anyone and then vanished on the poli board after he was elected
I think Dan is intelligent, just incapable of being objective.
That's me being nice
I think Dan is intelligent, just incapable of being objective.
That's me being nice
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:35 pm to Powerman
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So in essence you're basically taking his senior year numbers (which were good)
His numbers were marginal.
Middling completion % (would rank around 50th Nationally). High TD/INT rate, but low number of attempts (which to me suggest he wasn't trusted). He completed around 13 passes a game (I only counted him for 8 games)... which is fewer than John Brantley and slightly more than Collin Klein and Taylor Martinez. His YPA is decent (would have ranked around 40th nationally).
Like I said, people's opinions of good QB play has been so lowered that a guy who is going 12/18 for 150 yards is considered "great" apparently.
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The difference between freshman year and senior year was huge in terms of efficiency.
His efficiency rating was good. But that is the lone trait everyone celebrates/touts for his greatness. And that's not the be all/end all of great QB play, either.
I would also argue that much like JJ's completion% is artificially inflated due to his complete lack of risk taking through the air, Lee's efficiency is inflated due to the favorable situations he was asked to throw in and the low level of defenses he was asked to play against.
This post was edited on 1/19/12 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:37 pm to Powerman
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He also bought into Obama as hard core as anyone and then vanished on the poli board after he was elected
Ha.
I just quit keeping up with politics, and I don't try to get into arguments/discussions about subjects that I don't know a lot of.
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I think Dan is intelligent, just incapable of being objective.
Well, thanks.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Now, he finds it impossible to veer too far and admit he was very wrong.
Except... I did admit I was wrong.
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He is constantly trying to minimize anything Lee has done at LSU.
That really isn't true.
In this thread I've raised points of his great moments... UF 2010, Mississippi State this year, Auburn 08, etc.
My opinion after about midway through last year became that neither guy was very good. After '09 I had hopes that JJ could emerge into a very good player and he only got worse. I stood up for him a lot because, if anything, I'm very biased about Miles and I typically stand by his decisions (for better or worse).
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:41 pm to OBUDan
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I don't try to get into arguments/discussions about subjects that I don't know a lot of.
Could have fooled me
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:43 pm to OBUDan
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Like I said, people's opinions of good QB play has been so lowered that a guy who is going 12/18 for 150 yards is considered "great" apparently.
Hack much?
He wasn't playing the entire game
That's a pretty solid outing by any measure when it's coupled with 2 TDs and no INTs
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:54 pm to OBUDan
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Lee's efficiency is inflated due to the favorable situations he was asked to throw in and the low level of defenses he was asked to play against.
If you are going there, LSU only played against two good defenses this year..
LSU played against several average college defensive teams. No different than any QB on any team in the country. He didn't play much against WKU and didn't play much more than half the game vs NWST. He showed considerable improvement from 2008.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:54 pm to Powerman
It's obvious that Dan is a hack and has been since the Oregon game. Move along, nothing to see here.
This post was edited on 1/19/12 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:54 pm to Powerman
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He wasn't playing the entire game
vs. Oregon - 10/22, 98 yards, 1 TD, 97.9 rating
This is the game that started the impression I am "anti-Lee" because how dare I suggest this wasn't a good game? The numbers were about as unimpressive as the performance.
vs. MSU - 21/27, 213, 1 TD, 1 INT, 148.9
This is the game I've said repeatedly was his best.
vs. WVU - 16/28, 180 yards, 3 TDs
He played decently in this game, but was allowed to throw it from the 1 yard line after Mathieu forced a TO.
vs. Kentucky 8/21 169 yards, 1 TD
Abysmal performance made to look better by a miracle TD catch and run by OBJ.
He hit 15 completions twice (vs. MSU and WVU), and 20 attempts 4 times.
These were the games he played all or most of prior to the return of JJ. So he was completing 13.75 passes in full game duty... and I threw out the Northwestern game which would have artificially lowered it.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If you are going there, LSU only played against two good defenses this year..
I wouldn't disagree.
Unsurprisingly, those two Ds made both of our QBs look terrible.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 3:04 pm to OBUDan
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vs. Oregon - 10/22, 98 yards, 1 TD, 97.9 rating
This is the example that let me know that some people are JL fans and not fans of LSU. There are a number of people that refer to this game as a "great game" for JL but they wouldn't say the same for JJ.
I wouldn't call this a great game for either QB but I would call it a typical game for both....
Posted on 1/19/12 at 3:04 pm to OBUDan
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I wouldn't disagree.
Unsurprisingly, those two Ds made both of our QBs look terrible.
Lee only played a little over a quarter in those three games, so while he did look bad on the two INT's I don't think it's fair to say he would have looked as bad vs UGA. We can guess all we want, I suppose.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 3:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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so while he did look bad on the two INT's I don't think it's fair to say he would have looked as bad vs UGA.
This is true. And I don't think it's fair to say we would have lost to Bama if Lee stayed in, because the kid has shown a lot of resiliency after making mistakes before.
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