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re: The Last Thing Miles Wanted Was A QB Controversy

Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:42 am to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:42 am to
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Just admit it. Harris won 9 games last year not 10.


I have already stated that numerous times.
Posted by NoNameTiger
Mandeville, LA
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:43 am to
quote:

I have already stated that numerous times.


Yet you continue to try and make the point that he actually won 10?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:44 am to
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Yet you continue to try and make the point that he actually won 10?


That realistically he is a 10 win QB since we all know what the outcome of that game would have been. Yes.

How is this hard for you to understand or grasp?
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:46 am to
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If Etling is good enough to win 10 games, then Miles is shown to be an idiot for not starting him in the first place.


no

he is then accepted as smart enough to change when guy #1 cant cut it.

if he goes 10-2 with a bowl win in a very big or pretty big bowl, no AD is firing a 11-2 coach. I promise you. not happening. 10-3 with a bowl loss is probably good enough too. . 9-4 with a bowl loss is the end for Miles.
Not that I would, but I know that everyone was hoping for a natty to start, so 9 wins sucks by comparison. We didn't know for sure if Harris figured it out. He didn't. Oh well. Go Etling, go.


Posted by I20goon
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:48 am to
I'll agree with you Salmon. I consider BH6 a 10 game winner, at the end of last year and even today.

But my two points would be:
1. Is that the objective, win 10 games?
2. If the objective is more than that, did we see BH6 AND the team (blame would be shared) both make the improvements to go farther?

I say "no" to both.
Posted by NoNameTiger
Mandeville, LA
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:50 am to
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That realistically he is a 10 win QB since we all know what the outcome of that game would have been.



Realistically he won 9 games that is it.

I understand that we all know LSU would have beaten McNeese. But we don't know that he would not have looked like AJ did against NM State and gotten benched. We don't know that he would not have gotten injured and how that may or may not have affected the rest of the season.

He won 9 games last year. It is not like I am trying to take away games that he did actually win, but no matter how you slice it, HE DID NOT WIN 10 GAMES.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:51 am to
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I say "no" to both.


I do as well

My contention was only with the statement that Miles should have went to Etling sooner if he ends up winning 10 games.
Posted by NoNameTiger
Mandeville, LA
Member since Nov 2015
2054 posts
Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:53 am to
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My contention was only with the statement that Miles should have went to Etling sooner if he ends up winning 10 games.


Fine. I agree with the contention that if Etling wins 10 games it really isn't fair to say Miles should have gone to him sooner.
But you can make it without claiming that Harris won more games than he actually did.
Posted by Duckie
Tippy Toe, Louisiana
Member since Apr 2010
24314 posts
Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:54 am to
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His point in claiming that Harris won a game that was not played?

It is a stupid argument to make and an even stupider one to defend.


He admitted it.

I'm done with you all too.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:55 am to
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My contention was only with the statement that Miles should have went to Etling sooner if he ends up winning 10 games.
And my contention is that either the staff should have recognized BH6 didn't improve fundamentally enough to start this year in fall practice OR didn't make it happen. That is their job.

And also their job is to not just look at W/L and make a judgement on a player. The passing game results, barring a playoff berth, last year indicated a problem. It is also their job to dig deeper, and be objective in their decisions for the team... not a player.

And the whole argument others are offering about predictive hindsight, which is what saying Etling should have been brought in sooner IF he wins 10 games is kind of convoluted. I agree with you there. I'm just saying there's plenty of other information that such a decision could have already been based on.
This post was edited on 9/12/16 at 10:57 am
Posted by LSU316
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:56 am to
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You idiots refuse to see anything past the obvious.


AND

quote:

do you really not understand his point? Jesus


If we were in some fantasy land or alternate universe where the game was played then yes he has a great point that Harris won 10 games last year. In this reality he just looks stupid for trying to make that argument
Posted by UptownnMike
Uptown New Orleans
Member since Aug 2015
4099 posts
Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:58 am to
Les' stressed. Id take a 2 qb system honestly right now. I wouldn't mind BH playing he's just so mentally out of it. He needs the pressure to come off of him. I guarantee he plays well in a 2 qb system. He doesn't have the leadership qualities. Let Danny lead and be vocal and let BH just be relaxed and play. Kind of like when all the pressure was on Jennings and he played well. It wasn't on him.
This post was edited on 9/12/16 at 11:00 am
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:05 am to
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Les' stressed. Id take a 2 qb system honestly right now. I wouldn't mind BH playing he's just so mentally out of it. He needs the pressure to come off of him. I guarantee he plays well in a 2 qb system. He doesn't have the leadership qualities. Let Danny lead and be vocal and let BH just be relaxed and play. Kind of like when all the pressure was on Jennings and he played well. It wasn't on him.
I can see that. If the staff, especially Miles, are objective AND Etling performs well then you have no reason to coach BH6 on run-pass option plays and zone read due to having a "ready to go" 2nd. Let him specialize.

For the record, I envision that as being series with those specialized systems. Not single stand-alone plays.

I've often wondered why LSU or Miles doesn't put in #2 periodically to do adjustments or have planning sessions with the #1 QB. Especially if the QB is having mental or excitement issues.
Posted by TickledTiger
Down & Out
Member since Dec 2007
2837 posts
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:36 am to
quote:

he had to know Etling was a better option, right?
quote:

Miles hasn't even named Etling the starter now after Saturday's game...Miles is creating and then maintaining any perceived QB controversy all on his own. Same old crap as always with this guy.
...I think he's afraid to piss off the players who want Harris.
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
32934 posts
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:39 am to
quote:

...I think he's afraid to piss off the players who want Harris.

Why do the players care who the starting QB is? Were they pissed off Jennings was benched?
This post was edited on 9/12/16 at 11:41 am
Posted by Commando
Never Never Land
Member since Jan 2009
2814 posts
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:45 am to
There are four plus million reasons not to feel sympathy for him
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10283 posts
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:05 pm to
If he doesn't open it up like Cam did in the second quarter, then Etling will struggle again. Either way Miles is out because Etling can't block that line is not good and will struggle in SEC play.
Posted by The Real LSU King
Bayou Country
Member since Sep 2011
303 posts
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:16 pm to
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We threw the ball 28 times game 1


And completed 12 passes? That's not a change!
Posted by TigerCurry
Member since Aug 2016
351 posts
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:19 pm to
quote:

...I think he's afraid to piss off the players who want Harris.





We lack leadership, big time...we needed a new coach several months back.
Posted by bnb9433
Member since Jan 2015
14550 posts
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:20 pm to
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He was poised throughout, and his presence forced Jax St to respect the downfield pass, thus keeping them from overloading the box and opening running lanes for Guice.


couldnt have said it better myself
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