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re: The Final Series: A Series of Pictures
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:41 pm to TxHillsTiger
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:41 pm to TxHillsTiger
[quote]What I am NOT ok with -- when you have less than 30 seconds left in a game, you DAMN well better know exactly what plays you are calling when you are on the 2 yard line. That being said -- if you take out JL and put in JJ -- send his arse in there with 3 PLAYS. "JJ, first try, run the dead-arse option that works 1 out of 10 tries. When that doesn't work, on 3rd down, I want you to throw a bullet to Reuben. After you get done throwing it 5 feet over Reuben's head, I want you to hand it off to Ridley so he can win this game."
That last 30 seconds was NOT JJ's fault. That was pure coaching ineptitude.[/quote]
BINGO.
That last 30 seconds was NOT JJ's fault. That was pure coaching ineptitude.[/quote]
BINGO.
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Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:43 pm to pdxlsufan
quote:This is absolute fact.
In other words, the only thing you can blame JJ for is for not staging a mutiny against his own coaches.
No matter what else happened, the only way JJ can clock it is to countermand a direct order from the coaches.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:45 pm to Powerman
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2. Why was Jefferson standing outside the tackles with 19 seconds left instead of calling an audible? The subs excuse isn't legit. It's the QBs job to wave the subs off the field in that situation. He HAS to be able to understand the game situation even if the offensive coordinator is too stupid to.
ranter logic at its finest.
You're conceding our coaches are complete idiots by making that argument that JJ should have known his coaches are complete idiots and waved off the subs and audibled to his own play. And by this logic, you ascribe all the blame to JJ instead of blaming the coaches who are CLEARLY AT FAULT.
You want to blame JJ for not being ready for the snap, that's fine. But the 30 seconds leading up to that disaster were all caused by some of the most awful coaching decisions I have EVER witnessed.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:54 pm to just me
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1) You are assuming based on nothing that Miles is lieing to support your hypothesis.
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I never said that Miles is lying. I don't assume that Miles is lying.
Miles said Jefferson called for the snap. He has said that a few times now. We see the clap. You say he did not call for the snap and the clap was something else. Thus you think Miles is lying.
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IF Jefferson was the last person to get into position, this argument would have some merit. Ridley was the last person to get into position. Jefferson did not slow down the play at all.
Bull crap. Ridley was in the backfield the whole time (as he knew no matter what play was trying to be called... that is where he needed to be). At one points he even motions to JJ to go under center at one point. He was trying to be the leader that JJ was not being by not even being in football position while the coaches blew it (again I blame the coaches but not JJ). Watch the video and look where Ridley spends the entire sequence (in the backfield where he will need to be). Where does JJ stand? Who is the leader on the play... a QB or an RB. You are really really stretching.
You are saying the coach is lying in that JJ never called for the snap and then you say the guy in the backfield was the out of position guy during the sequence when the QB is nowhere near where he needed to be.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:58 pm to just me
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just me
i've seen threads bashing Les Miles, not really JJ. People are so upset at Miles that they just want someone with half a brain to possibly override him or Crowton on the field, like a smart QB.
Jefferson, despite your best efforts, is just not a smart QB. His football IQ is low.
I get your point, but the extent that you go to defend Jordan Jefferson tends to lead to the only conclusion......
you ARE his lover.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 2:04 pm to just me
Can you post a grab of the umpire standing over the ball? You know, like Dooley claimed he wasn't...
Posted on 10/5/10 at 2:10 pm to igoringa
quote:Life is not black and white. Many, many times people believe that what they are saying is true. Just because Miles might be wrong does not mean that he is lying.
Miles said Jefferson called for the snap. He has said that a few times now. We see the clap. You say he did not call for the snap and the clap was something else. Thus you think Miles is lying.
quote:Ridley was in the vicinity of the backfield, absolutely true. However, he was not in position until Jefferson told him to get into position. If Hebert would have snapped it a half second earlier, it would have been a penalty on Ridley because Ridley was moving until the ball was snapped.quote:Bull crap. Ridley was in the backfield the whole time (as he knew no matter what play was trying to be called... that is where he needed to be).... Watch the video and look where Ridley spends the entire sequence (in the backfield where he will need to be).
IF Jefferson was the last person to get into position, this argument would have some merit. Ridley was the last person to get into position. Jefferson did not slow down the play at all.
quote:Ridley was in the right area, but he was not in position. Jefferson might not have been perfectly lined up when the ball was snapped, but he was in position to play.
you say the guy in the backfield was the out of position guy during the sequence when the QB is nowhere near where he needed to be.
If the ball had been snapped even a half second earlier, the penalty would have been on Ridley, not Jefferson. Thus, the play had to wait on Ridley, not Jefferson.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 2:13 pm to just me
Do people not understand you'll just continue arguing your point, and countering their own with facts and substance?
Makes me laugh everytime.
This thread is like watching the dumb kid stick his finger in the electrical outlet over and over
Makes me laugh everytime.
This thread is like watching the dumb kid stick his finger in the electrical outlet over and over
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 10/5/10 at 2:33 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
quote:You'd think they would learn.
This thread is like watching the dumb kid stick his finger in the electrical outlet over and over
I even went to the trouble of getting twenty-seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph under each one explaining how each one is to be used as evidence.
They remind me of Sheen Estevez. He liked to stick his fingers into electrical outlets too.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 2:33 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
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facts and substance?
like the fact he stated that JJ had lined up behind center, that he later retracted when shown the pic? Those kind of facts?
He's digging his own hole, and you just jumped in for no reason.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 2:42 pm to TIsuGGER
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like the fact he stated that JJ had lined up behind center, that he later retracted when shown the pic? Those kind of facts?
Hey you just keep fighting the good fight, Im sure you'll get him to say "youre right im wrong" sometime reeeeal soon.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 2:52 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
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Hey you just keep fighting the good fight, Im sure you'll get him to say "youre right im wrong" sometime reeeeal soon.
Well, now aren't you just the dimmest bulb on the shelf?? How cute.
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(Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:57 a.m. to TIsuGGER)
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Might have helped had the QB not been standing out past the tackle.
He was not directly behind the center.
However, he wasn't directly behind the LG or even the LG-C gap. After looking at igoringa's pic, I'd say he was about halfway between the C and the LG-C gap.
Less than a yard to the right, but not directly behind the center.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 2:55 pm to TIsuGGER
quote:You do realize, of course, that the fact that he lined up less than a yard from directly behind center is not particularly relevant to the subject of this thread.
like the fact he stated that JJ had lined up behind center, that he later retracted when shown the pic? Those kind of facts?
Allow me to reiterate:
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Threads have been started every day since the game bashing Jefferson for not clocking the ball as soon as he got up from being tackled on second down. Hundreds of posts have blasted Jefferson for not immediately clocking the ball. Posters and media have erroneously stated that Jefferson had 25 seconds in which to "clock it" after he was tackled.
Jefferson did not have 25 seconds to clock the ball. From the time he was tackled until the time the ball was snapped, Jefferson had no opportunity to clock the ball. Moreover, clocking the ball with more than 15 seconds was clearly not the right call. (I'd argue that clocking the ball with more than 8 seconds was not the right call.)
quote:In short you want Jefferson's post-game interview to be:
The points are simple.
(1) Jefferson was correct in not immediately clocking the ball. Immediately clocking the ball would have been the wrong call, and it would have taken a down away from his coaches.
(2) Jefferson did not have an opportunity to immediately clock the ball without incurring a penalty. Substitutes were being sent onto the field before he could have clocked it.
quote:Because there is no possible way for Jefferson to clock it without telling the coaching staff to frick off.
"Hey guys, I know there were 14 LSU players on the field, but I should have told the coaches to frick off and then clocked it so that we could waste 3rd down and get a penalty. My bad."
Posted on 10/5/10 at 3:06 pm to just me
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Because there is no possible way for Jefferson to clock it without telling the coaching staff to frick off.
So you are advocating that a player knowingly lose a game rather than do what needed to be done? Is that your defense for JJ?
You want a QB who would stand on the field and watch the clock go to zero, rather than make a coach mad? So Hebert should just transfer at this point, since he didn't wait for the snap, thereby pissing the coaches off? Oh, wait. He might have put us in the very position that won the game, and saved that angry coach's job. Shudder to think.
Did you think that through, really?
Posted on 10/5/10 at 3:08 pm to just me
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Because there is no possible way for Jefferson to clock it without telling the coaching staff to frick off.
Oh, and to add, even you must know that in the military "Just following orders" is not a valid defense?
Posted on 10/5/10 at 3:09 pm to pdxlsufan
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Do not execute
The game is all bout execution and team work.
Josh Williford makes his block on the Vol LB and JJ more than likely scores on the 2nd down run.
T-Bob and JJ get on the same page as to when to snap the ball and we get two tries to score and not just one.
GC and LM or who ever is calling the plays gets their act together and we get the same results, but it looks better.
It's a team effort win or not and we all to keep that in mind. imo
Well, lets remember as well that we did win and I will take result over process every freaking time in the sports world.
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 10/5/10 at 3:14 pm to TIsuGGER
quote:Poor attempt at a strawman argument. I don't want a player to knowingly lose a game rather than do what needed to be done. That wasn't the choice. And, unfortunately, we will never know what would have happened if Hebert had not decided to snap the ball prematurely.
So you are advocating that a player knowingly lose a game rather than do what needed to be done? Is that your defense for JJ?
You want a QB who would stand on the field and watch the clock go to zero, rather than make a coach mad? So Hebert should just transfer at this point, since he didn't wait for the snap, thereby pissing the coaches off? Oh, wait. He might have put us in the very position that won the game, and saved that angry coach's job. Shudder to think.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 3:16 pm to TIsuGGER
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Well, now aren't you just the dimmest bulb on the shelf?? How cute.
Without electrical current, all lightbulbs are dim when sitting on a shelf
I am forced to respond to the brutal smackdown you just laid on me with this question:
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 10/5/10 at 3:28 pm to just me
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Life is not black and white. Many, many times people believe that what they are saying is true. Just because Miles might be wrong does not mean that he is lying.
Pot Meet Kettle
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Poor attempt at a strawman argument. I don't want a player to knowingly lose a game rather than do what needed to be done. That wasn't the choice. And, unfortunately, we will never know what would have happened if Hebert had not decided to snap the ball prematurely.
In this very thread you assume JJ would call for the snap before time expired and that T-BOB prematurely snapped the ball because he panicked.
so which is it? Is it we don't know what would have happened or would JJ have gotten t-bob to snap the ball on time?
Posted on 10/5/10 at 3:31 pm to just me
Wow. Nice.
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