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re: The crying about Aranda and the D is embarrassing
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:36 am to memphis tiger
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:36 am to memphis tiger
quote:Frankly, it's going to be our best chance.
I get that. But what I am saying is that PLAN will get us beat in the one game that matters most.
Stingley is fine. Fulton is fine.
But we have NO ONE on the back end that has a snowball's chance in hell of covering Bama's #3 option and Tua will find that fricker every time we blitz
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Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:38 am to Brazos
LSU fans: WhY dIDnT We BrInG PrEsSuRe ThE wHoLe GaMe.
Like bringing constant pressure wouldn't have made an easy adjustment for Florida and caused some big plays. We actually brought pressure several times on 3rd and it got us beat for huge first downs. We saw what happened in the slot vs their previous opponents and shut it down, and adjusted very well in the second half once we started seeing some of the same looks we were beat on in the first half. There is a reason why they are coaches and everyone here is not. Most of yall would get absolutely destroyed calling plays.
Like bringing constant pressure wouldn't have made an easy adjustment for Florida and caused some big plays. We actually brought pressure several times on 3rd and it got us beat for huge first downs. We saw what happened in the slot vs their previous opponents and shut it down, and adjusted very well in the second half once we started seeing some of the same looks we were beat on in the first half. There is a reason why they are coaches and everyone here is not. Most of yall would get absolutely destroyed calling plays.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:39 am to memphis tiger
quote:Better? Well, on individual plays? No.
So you think forcing Stevens and Vincent to stay in coverage for 5-7 seconds while Tua has all day in a clean pocket is better?
But, it does force the other guys to be successful for 9 plays instead of 2.
Look. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I enjoy it. I just see what we are doing.
And, frankly, Bama's receivers aren't just a "catch the ball" problem.
If those frickers catch a ball with only 5 in coverage because we brought the house, they're going to score. We simply won't tackle them.
I full expect Bama to score on every drive in the 1st half.
This board will be in melt down mode.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:40 am to sparkinator
quote:
I got in this conversation late, but that isn't what I was picking up from his earlier posts.
Yes, th S is the point we are debating. I disagree with the idea that we are going to play soft all season.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
That's exactly right, Roger.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:41 am to ShortyRob
quote:
But we have NO ONE on the back end that has a snowball's chance in hell of covering Bama's #3 option and Tua will find that fricker every time we blitz
This is where we disagree a bit. Yes I understand we have serious matchup problems after our top 2 corners.
But you don’t that Tua will exploit that if don’t pressure him.
Hell, I’m not sure Fulton and Stingley can cover their top 2 guys long enough of Tua has no pressure.
That’s going to be a shootout. And it’s going to come down to whatever defense can force a mistake or 2. We will have to bring consistent pressure to force that mistake.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:42 am to ShortyRob
quote:
But, it does force the other guys to be successful for 9 plays instead of 2.
If Vandy and NWST can do it, I don’t think Bama will have much of an issue taking as many plays as this defense will hand them the way it’s currently set up.
This post was edited on 10/13/19 at 10:44 am
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:43 am to ShortyRob
quote:
full expect Bama to score on every drive in the 1st half
You have to try to hit Tua. You can't let him sit back there unmolested.
OU did a better job on Ehlinger than we did, with pressure.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Well it's kind of obvious that Orgeron and Aranda decided that it wasn't working well and made changes. I think they came to disagree with it too
The second half UF offense was just as good as the first half, minus a terrible INT. You're just playing the results.
The bend don't break strategy was employed all night.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:44 am to memphis tiger
quote:Yes, I think he will.
But you don’t that Tua will exploit that if don’t pressure him.
Maybe I'm not being clear enough here.
Think of this in terms of TEAM, not just the Defense. If our offense blew chunks, we'd have to approach defense ENTIRELY differently. And, we'd get pasted a few games because of it.
But, the point is. Due to a few matchup problems, our choices aren't between "shut down defense and bad defense".
Our choices are between "bad and worse" in terms of a few matchups.
I believe that Aranda has chosen bad. Because he HAS to and his offense allows him to do it.
If you have matchup problems on the back end, you need a front 4 that can get there on its own. We don't have that. So, he's performing a bit with mirrors.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:45 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Look. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I enjoy it. I just see what we are doing.
Forget the merits of one plan over another. Answer the question- do you think our defense can execute a soft, read and react scheme based on what you’ve seen so far this season?
Do you think this defense is executing on a level we should see from the highest paid coordinator in college football?
If these answers are no, and I believe they both are, then the merits of the scheme don’t really matter, do they?
This post was edited on 10/13/19 at 10:46 am
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:45 am to Brazos
frick that. aranda and the d are embarrassing.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:46 am to memphis tiger
quote:I tend to agree.
Hell, I’m not sure Fulton and Stingley can cover their top 2 guys long enough of Tua has no pressure.
We're going to "cover" by keeping everything in front.
The board is going to go ape shite.
In the 2nd half, at opportune moments, we are going to blitz and try to put them behind the chains.
This is going to be the plan. Prepare thy psyche for it.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:47 am to RightHook
quote:
frick that. aranda and the d are embarrassing.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:47 am to misey94
quote:Well?
Forget the merits of one plan over another. Answer the question- do you think our defense can execute a soft, read and react scheme based on what you’ve seen so far this season?
No
Compared to regularly blitzing? I mean, REGULARLY blitzing?
Yeah.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:47 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Yes, I think he will.
Maybe I'm not being clear enough here.
Think of this in terms of TEAM, not just the Defense. If our offense blew chunks, we'd have to approach defense ENTIRELY differently. And, we'd get pasted a few games because of it.
But, the point is. Due to a few matchup problems, our choices aren't between "shut down defense and bad defense".
Our choices are between "bad and worse" in terms of a few matchups.
I believe that Aranda has chosen bad. Because he HAS to and his offense allows him to do it.
If you have matchup problems on the back end, you need a front 4 that can get there on its own. We don't have that. So, he's performing a bit with mirrors
So I think we both agree that our defense this year is not up to snuff and will be problem in the biggest game of the year.
And I do understand the point you are making. I just don’t think we will win with that approach and will need to do something different in that game.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:48 am to slackster
quote:
The second half UF offense was just as good as the first half,
UF second half
TD
Punt
Punt
Interception
Downs
They gained more yards in the first half as well.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:49 am to slackster
quote:
The bend don't break strategy was employed all night.
Today's LSU fans would have HATED Bill Arnsparger.
The one thing we DO need to do better is, the whole point of bend by don't break is that when the field gets smaller, reduced passing lanes are supposed to be easier to cover.
But holy frick. I don't think in a pure jump ball situation, Kary Vincent would keep ME from catching the damned ball.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:So the plan worked.
UF second half TD Punt Punt Interception Downs They gained more yards in the first half as well.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 10:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
OU did a better job on Ehlinger than we did, with pressure.
They did, but transfers have really decimated our secondary. Joseph would be playing right now and playing a lot. Kenan Jones and Mannie Netherly would be providing key depth. We are effectively down to 9 DBs total, with 4 of our CBs freshman. That probably makes Aranda more conservative than he otherwise would be. Last year it was the DL rotation that was decimated. This year it seems like it is the DBs. Hopefully more DBs develop as the year goes on.
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