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re: The Chad Jones hit

Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:41 am to
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49043 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:41 am to
Terrible call and a terrible rule. They should have never have changed from the old "spearing" rule.
Posted by PRK
Member since Sep 2009
9142 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:45 am to
Anyone have a link to the hit from the first half?
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
64471 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:45 am to
Watch that clip. There are 3 refs in the end zone and none of them throw a flag. The flag lands at the 1 yard line a few seconds after the players are on the ground. Others are saying it came from the ref on the Arky sideline. What a gutless call!!! If you can't take coaches crying for a penalty on every play, then don't become a ref. The amount of late hit flags on the sideline of a team being hit are about 75% larger than on the opposite sideline. My point is too many refs let the coaches behind them influence their calls.
Posted by bayou2003
Mah-zur-ree (417)
Member since Oct 2003
17646 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:49 am to
I felt that hit at home. That brotha was tryin to take ol boy out.lol.
Posted by cardee2003
Baton Rouge/Tacoma,WA
Member since Jan 2009
2633 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:58 am to
Hard hit, bad call!!
Posted by Number 3 is my Hero
Member since Nov 2009
4689 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:59 am to
Too bad refs do not have this slow motion instant replay where they can see the shoulder hit a split second before the helmet.

Correct on the field call
Posted by OldIowaTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2006
7313 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

why did the flag come from the side ref rather than the back ref who was like 10 feet away from the play is what im wondering


Exactly. I started this thread not to piss and moan about the correct-ness of the call. I'm most pissed about how it was called. The ONE ref who threw the flag could not even see the play.
Posted by lsutiger2010
Member since Aug 2008
14790 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:09 pm to
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This post was edited on 10/20/21 at 8:53 pm
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 1:16 pm to
I hate this fricking rule. Launching with the helmet? Fine, that should be illegal. But driving a shoulder into his head should be legal. The impact of a shoulder compared to your 10lb header with a helmet is completely different. Especially considering how sensitive your head is to hits. When RBs lower their head and Jones destroyed him leading with his shoulder, how come those aren't personal fouls? Its the exact same thing. Both are running full speed.

Wah wah, we got to protect the 180lb receivers. frick that, this is our house and we have to defend the goaline, what the hell was Jones suppose to do at that angle? Push him down so he could have a TD? Don't go over the middle if you don't want to get decapitated, simple as that. Stop throwing high balls to make a receiver "defenseless". When is defense ever going to get a rule to favor them? This isn't flag Football.
This post was edited on 11/29/09 at 1:19 pm
Posted by txquacker
Cypress, TX
Member since Jan 2008
101 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 2:52 pm to
I don't want to beat a dead horse to death, but why isn't there the ability to review calls in slow motion? No way could I see what occurred in real time even when it was played over & over.
Posted by lsudoc
New Iberia, LA
Member since Feb 2004
48 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 3:20 pm to
Helmet to helmet contact is NOT a penalty. You must intiate contact with the crown of the helmet or initiate contact above the shoulders for it to be a penalty. Jones first made contact with his shoulder to the receivers shoulder! The sides of the helmets then struck together, but that is not a penalty....
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

I don't want to beat a dead horse to death, but why isn't there the ability to review calls in slow motion? No way could I see what occurred in real time even when it was played over & over.

Not a reviewable play
Posted by INFIDEL
The couch
Member since Aug 2006
16199 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 3:30 pm to
Everyone who thinks that was a good call is a complete idiot. It was a brutal hit, but completely legal. If you watch that video and think any different you really should stop watching football.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 3:32 pm to
quote:


Not a reviewable play


Just curious.. you have some legit ref experience.. would you support reviewable penalties in any situations?
This post was edited on 11/29/09 at 3:32 pm
Posted by tigerfan80
Member since Sep 2004
27 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 3:46 pm to
True. The last touchdown catch by Arkansas, Riley hit the receiver helmet-to-helmet. Why wasn't that a penalty? Jones lead with his shoulder and made contact first with his shoulder.
Posted by OGTiger
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2005
2552 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 3:55 pm to
My problem Ricohoc is not the call. I'm willing to give the ref the benefit of the doubt on such a violent collision.

You say the refs are there to enforce the rules. Oh, really? How about the blatant spearing of Jefferson by the Alabama player within 10 feet of the head official?

If they are there to enforce the rules; how about enforce them consistently and WITHOUT prejudice.

So obvious SEC officials protecting Alabama.

If you don't know this then you have your head in the sand my friend.

Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86337 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

That is leading with the helmet.


ARTICLE 3. a. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with
the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
Posted by LSUcc
St. Louis, MO
Member since Feb 2009
2057 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

ARTICLE 3. a. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with
the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.


Exactly. And since Arky's helmet flew off the player and continued moving forward there was obviously no H-to-H penalty. If the helmet was hit it would have either stayed on his head or popped straight up and gone backwards. It's inertia people, we learn this simple concept in middle school.
Posted by hhstigerdad
St. Charles Parish
Member since Oct 2003
379 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 4:36 pm to
Since you directed everyone to the 1:22 spot on the replay, at that point, IT IS NOT TOTALLY CLEAR that Jones led with his helmet. His shoulder and head arrived simultaneously. If you move forward to 1:28, you'll see that the receiver's head lurches forward from the impact of Jones' shoulder in his chest before his face mask is struck by Jones' helmet, which pries the helmet from his head. At very best, it was incidental contact after the shoulder hit. If Jones had led with his helmet and it was true helmet to helmet contact, he receiver's head would have lurched backward.

These BS rules are ruining the game, If it was an out and out attempt to spear, then yes, it should be a personal foul. However, if they keep calling plays like that personal fouls, then the NCAA should switch to flag football.

Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
26411 posts
Posted on 11/29/09 at 5:02 pm to
The play was close. I could understand why a helmet to helmet call was made, but on the other hand I would understand if the call wasn't. The wrong ref probably threw the flag though. Either way....I don't want Chad to stop bringing the heat like that. That was a monsterous hit...and players will think twice when the ball is thrown in his direction.
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