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re: The BCS MANIPULATION
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:51 am to Deathrider
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:51 am to Deathrider
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Since we only know the algorithm for one of the six polls, how do we know the BCS rankings are even accurate at all? The BCS doesn't even know and has to take the computer polls on good faith.
What a joke. But whats worse is the public has no idea
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:53 am to MoreOrLes
MoreorLes, then you would subscribe to theory 1, or a close relative of it.
I can't defend any of these because they are not me theories. All I can say is that when it smells like it, looks like it, and sounds like it, you call it what it is. Something happened over the past two weeks, between ESPN and CBS giving so much air time to Saban, the human voters voting in Bama's favor by putting OK State 5 and
6 on some of their ballots, and the Saragain poll not bumping them, the untraceable Sagarain poll tat our own lsunatt has said is the worst he's ever seen because its questionable and he doesn't punish his formula, well, something went down behind the scenes. the only question is why.
I can't defend any of these because they are not me theories. All I can say is that when it smells like it, looks like it, and sounds like it, you call it what it is. Something happened over the past two weeks, between ESPN and CBS giving so much air time to Saban, the human voters voting in Bama's favor by putting OK State 5 and
6 on some of their ballots, and the Saragain poll not bumping them, the untraceable Sagarain poll tat our own lsunatt has said is the worst he's ever seen because its questionable and he doesn't punish his formula, well, something went down behind the scenes. the only question is why.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:53 am to MoreOrLes
When the chips were down, when Oklahoma State had to do what it was asked to do... the Cowboys came through... big time.
When did Alabama have a similar accomplishment? The Tide failed in their own stadium.
This game is bullshite. Not enough talk was focused on what was FAIR to LSU and Oklahoma State.
When did Alabama have a similar accomplishment? The Tide failed in their own stadium.
This game is bullshite. Not enough talk was focused on what was FAIR to LSU and Oklahoma State.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:55 am to Rex
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Not enough talk was focused on what was FAIR to LSU and Oklahoma State.
Which is exactly the type of talk you hear every other year IMO.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:57 am to MoreOrLes
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What a joke. But whats worse is the public has no idea
The same applies to electronic black box voting in political elections. It's a joke. It's absolutely ridiculous that the public trusts programmers like Diebold's (who, incidentally, have actually been convicted of computer fraud).
Because these algorithms are not published we have no way of knowing or not if these guys tweaked their results to their own liking.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:00 am to EZE Tiger Fan
the only thing really fishy about this year, imo, was the sagarin poll
voters will be voters, that's part of the system
voters will be voters, that's part of the system
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:01 am to MoreOrLes
I don't necessarily disagree, and I'm not saying I'm for or against a playoff...but there is one thing that most people who are pro-playoff don't realize, and it's this:
A playoff system makes it LESS likely that the "best" team wins. It also lessens the importance of the regular season games that fans hold so dearly. So a playoff system hardly allows anything to get "settled on the field."
A playoff system makes it LESS likely that the "best" team wins. It also lessens the importance of the regular season games that fans hold so dearly. So a playoff system hardly allows anything to get "settled on the field."
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:02 am to MoreOrLes
quote:How so?
Make no mistake, its also a slap in the face to the coaches and players of LSU.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:02 am to Rex
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Because these algorithms are not published we have no way of knowing or not if these guys tweaked their results to their own liking.
This is exactly why I hope that Pickens launches an investigation. At the very least, the BCS and some independent arbiter need to know the algorithms before the season ever starts. This would go a great distance in reducing fraud and would lend more legitimacy to the process. While it would be nice for the public to know all the algorithms, don't think that would happen. The BCS needs to be proactive after this season and get something like this in place.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:04 am to Rex
Pardon my misspelling, I'm on my cell.
Rex, you are absolutely correct. The fact that we support this system by paying for it with our ticket money, our viewership and our buying of magazines, newspapers, etc., should be enough to entitle us to knowledge of, at the very least, find out what math they are using to come to their conclusions.
Im really hoping T. Boone Pickens sues for an investigation.
Rex, you are absolutely correct. The fact that we support this system by paying for it with our ticket money, our viewership and our buying of magazines, newspapers, etc., should be enough to entitle us to knowledge of, at the very least, find out what math they are using to come to their conclusions.
Im really hoping T. Boone Pickens sues for an investigation.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:04 am to Tacoma Tiger
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I'm all for a 4 or 8 team playoff, but they also need to dump the polls and computers and put together a selection committee.
Agree on 4 team playoff. Do not agree on selection committee - that would leave it even more open to manipulation if you put all of the power in so few hands. In essence what we have today the voters are the selection committee. I agree we need to check their references a little more though.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:05 am to Pauldean
1) I think the system got it right.
2) The system is ONLY needed when it is close. Why in the hell would a system even be necessary if the top 2 are without controversy? I do not need to flip a coin between the choices of eating Filet Mignon or a Horse Turd.
I find it silly when folks lose their minds over a 'controversial outcome' from a system only needed to choose between very close alternatives.
2) The system is ONLY needed when it is close. Why in the hell would a system even be necessary if the top 2 are without controversy? I do not need to flip a coin between the choices of eating Filet Mignon or a Horse Turd.
I find it silly when folks lose their minds over a 'controversial outcome' from a system only needed to choose between very close alternatives.
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 11:06 am
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:07 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
The main thing I am confused about is how VT got the at large pick this year for the Sugar Bowl. I know there are a lot of fans upset about that, but I guess the selection committee just does what they think will bring in the most $$
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:08 am to MoreOrLes
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That debate aside, the BCS, on its own website says nothing about matching the 2 best teams. Here is what it says:
The Bowl Championship Series (BCS) is a five-game showcase of college football. It is designed to ensure that the two top-rated teams in the country meet in the national championship game
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:09 am to Pauldean
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A playoff system makes it LESS likely that the "best" team wins. It also lessens the importance of the regular season games that fans hold so dearly. So a playoff system hardly allows anything to get "settled on the field."
I agree with that 100%. I don't want a playoff system... we already have one, actually... a two team playoff that supposed to stress the importance of the regular season.
What we SHOULD have is a 100% computer-generated ranking system, where the AD's get together before the season and agree on the mathematics of the algorithm... how many points for a win? how many points deducted for a loss? how many points gained for a win relative to the points accumulated by the loser? how deep into an opponents schedule and how many points for that?
It's pure math, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to formulate the algorithm nor a genius to program it into a computer.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:10 am to crimsonsaint
you obviously didnt read the whole post
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:10 am to MoreOrLes
[quote]Never before has CFB ever seen this exact situation. For those of you who say, " There is a first time for everything.", I dont believe you will ever see it again. No, the BCS will at least get tweaked this off season. Why? Look at the possible end results of which there can only be two:
1). LSU wins BCSCG, OSU wins its bowl or not, the rest of the country still hating on an all SEC BCSCG game. Bammers commit sucide like lemmings they are.
2). Bama wins, possible split title, and LSU will have more wins on the season being SEC champs and having beaten the BCS champs at their house. The series for the year will be 1-1. Bammers get upset because no one acknowledges them as champs, but instead calls them chumps. Bammers commit sucide like the lemmings they are.
The spin doctors and the bama supporters such as ESPN have said all along that the "BCS got it right in that the 2 best teams will be meeting in the BCSNCG". Well thats debatable, yes we play defense in the SEC like no other conference but other conferences have real offenses. Bottom line until there is a playoff and games are settled on the field one cannot be 100% sure of who is better.
Next time LSU plays Bamabutts in regular season, LSU destroys them, Saban calls miles a jerk for running up the score.... bammers commit sucide like the lemmings they.....
1). LSU wins BCSCG, OSU wins its bowl or not, the rest of the country still hating on an all SEC BCSCG game. Bammers commit sucide like lemmings they are.
2). Bama wins, possible split title, and LSU will have more wins on the season being SEC champs and having beaten the BCS champs at their house. The series for the year will be 1-1. Bammers get upset because no one acknowledges them as champs, but instead calls them chumps. Bammers commit sucide like the lemmings they are.
The spin doctors and the bama supporters such as ESPN have said all along that the "BCS got it right in that the 2 best teams will be meeting in the BCSNCG". Well thats debatable, yes we play defense in the SEC like no other conference but other conferences have real offenses. Bottom line until there is a playoff and games are settled on the field one cannot be 100% sure of who is better.
Next time LSU plays Bamabutts in regular season, LSU destroys them, Saban calls miles a jerk for running up the score.... bammers commit sucide like the lemmings they.....
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:11 am to GoldenHebert
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The main thing I am confused about is how VT got the at large pick this year for the Sugar Bowl. I know there are a lot of fans upset about that, but I guess the selection committee just does what they think will bring in the most $$
Exactly. The BCS ONLY requires that #1 meet #2 and sets a few parameters for the other bowls. The two teams that the Sugar selected MET those parameters and were the ones that the Sugar Committee believed were best for them.
No one got "screwed".
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:11 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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between very close alternatives.
Thats just it it really wasnt close
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:13 am to MoreOrLes
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Thats just it it really wasnt close
.009 or something like that.
YOU have an opinion. The formula was, indeed, exceedingly close.
ETA: You may think that OSU was the correct choice.
I believe that BAMA was the correct choice. Obviously, it was "close"
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 11:14 am
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