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re: The 1988 football schedule

Posted on 7/24/10 at 10:08 am to
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 7/24/10 at 10:08 am to
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Aside from Ohio State, we pretty much play this schedule. NC could be substituted for TAMU.


We haven't had a non-conference opponent the caliber of the 1988 Miami, Fla. team since...well, 1988.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/24/10 at 10:18 am to
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Texas A&M
@Tennessee
@Ohio State
@Florida
Auburn


I would replace Florida with Miami on that list. UF still hadn't even won a conference title yet. They always played us tough, but at the time LSU had a winning series record vs the Gators and they weren't considered very strong yet - Emmitt Smith was only in his second year.

I was at that 88 Miami too. The funny thing is how many people say they were there - and stayed to the end. Well, I was there to the end, and that was one damn empty stadium.

The monsoon was over by half time if I remember right, and LSU was getting the ball down 20-3 with a chance to bring the margin to 10, when I think there was a turn over or something. I remember a bottle coming out of the stands onto the field and Eric Hill (?) picking it up and hurling it back into the student section. I remember thinking I didn't want to be on the receiving end of THAT bottle. The thing was the Tigers had already clinched a share of the SEC title, and the the fans were throwing shite on the field. LSU has always had its share of uptight assholes.

But the storm in the first half... I remember the rain would come in waves - sideways. Everytime it would blow in to where we couldn't hardly see the field, the crowd would go NUTS. You have to give oit to Miami for that game, they kept their cool. I remember watching one of the SEC pennants come down over the South upper deck - Vanderbilt's, I think. Figures, weak asses.
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
8121 posts
Posted on 7/24/10 at 10:23 am to
As bad as the end of 88 turned out, I still think the downfall was the opening kickoff of the 89 A&M game. That one play set the tone for that entire game which we were supposed to win somewhat easily. Can't remember what we started off ranked, but I remember several pundits picking us to win it all that year. We had handled A&M convincingly in the prior three games since the series was renewed. I don't think we ever recovered from it.

And just a word, on the "not as bad as it looked" debate. Certainly it was an arse whipping, but nothing compared to say the LSU win over VT in 07. Same margin...much different looking game. The worst arse whipping I ever saw a good LSU team take was a 20-0 thrashing from UF in 85 that was nowhere near as close the score indicated. I don't think we crossed midfield at any point.
Posted by Saint852
Simsbury
Member since Sep 2008
115 posts
Posted on 7/24/10 at 1:58 pm to
Your assumption that SMU was a cupcake back then is waaaay off base. They were a solid team
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
19550 posts
Posted on 7/24/10 at 1:59 pm to
I have an '88 schedule cup still lol
Posted by carrell
Austin TX
Member since Nov 2009
515 posts
Posted on 7/24/10 at 2:10 pm to
Hallman, another inconsistent coach, was the problem, not the schedule.

I'd rather we played nothing but tough guys OOC, record be damned, as long as the coaching was high quality, both in-game, in player development, and recruiting.

Today I'd say LSU is B-, B-, and A- in those phases.
Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
10322 posts
Posted on 7/24/10 at 2:20 pm to

I remember when Ohio State came to Tiger Stadium.

Ohio State refused to run out of the tunnel first so there was a short delay in the start of the game as both teams stayed in the tunnel.

Finally the agreed to both run out on the field at the same time.

Guess Ohio State did not want to be "tiger baited"
Posted by secfan123
beverly hills
Member since Jan 2010
9646 posts
Posted on 7/24/10 at 2:52 pm to
the 1990 fsu-lsu game was the first i ever saw in person
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
18001 posts
Posted on 7/24/10 at 3:34 pm to
The 88 season was my final/senior year and LSU and as a member of Tiger Band. Mike Archer was a jackass.

That Miami game really sucked. The only game that has ever come close to the rain was the Oregon State game a few years back. That game was just pre game monsoon rain.

I made a point to attend the LSU-Miami bowl game a few years ago just for revenge. I enjoyed the hell out of that game because of the memory of the 1988 game.
Posted by avondale88
Montgomery
Member since May 2009
2634 posts
Posted on 7/24/10 at 5:23 pm to
I blame that drunk, Joe Dean for the downward spiral back in those days. He went cheap arse and LSU got what he paid for. BTW, what are all of Joe Deans past hires doing now? I mean, what major colleges are they coaching at right now. Joe Dean as an athletic director sucked more than a glass of gin.
Posted by gemlsu
Member since Sep 2003
2397 posts
Posted on 7/24/10 at 5:41 pm to
Most of Archer's recruits never saw the field. His recruiting classes were full of 4 and 5 star problem children, many from Texas. This was the beginning of the slide. I remember a coach in Texas predicting Archer's and LSU's demise.
Posted by LSUTigerBand85
On the Edge
Member since Nov 2008
253 posts
Posted on 7/25/10 at 2:47 am to
To apply a semi-current argument to an 80s situation ... Arnsparger was wining with Jerry Stovall's redshirts and recruits.

When the well was running dry, he saw it was time to leave (I would love to see who Arnsparger recruited). This, I believe, led to Mike Archer's downfall and the eventual downfall of the program.

To the present, Les has brought in some great recruiting classes. To banish him to outer darkness now might provide a few years of relief but, if you did not bring a guy who could recruit copious amounts of quality talent (not an Archer, Hallman, or DiNardo), we would quickly become bottom feeders again.

Better the devil you know than the one you don't.

For what it is worth, I went to the Miami game early that day to get a good seat and read my Economics for the weekend. Bottom line, Tigers got killed and so did my ECON book. I stayed until the end, but, man, was it tough.


Posted by geaux88
Northshore, LA
Member since Oct 2003
16355 posts
Posted on 7/25/10 at 2:57 am to
That fricking Ohio State game, in which a superior LSU team GAVE that game to on inferior Ohio State team, was a ball buster....I remember that like it was yesterday. I believe that was the same weekend that the Advocate had a huge spread on their sports page about Mike Archer.
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
10686 posts
Posted on 7/25/10 at 7:10 am to
quote:

Aside from Ohio State, we pretty much play this schedule. NC could be substituted for TAMU.

And McNeese can substitute for Miami.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33248 posts
Posted on 7/25/10 at 8:06 am to
June 1989, opening meeting for Summer conditioning:

Milt Williams (SCC) walks in wearing his typical bi-polar scowl - "You guys are all walking around like you've done something. Did you forget what happened last game? You are nothing but a bunch of pussies!"

Follows it up with threats of working us to death, then walks out.


You would expect a hoora! reaction.....nope, he got the opposite reaction with the starters saying frick him. College football players are more complex than high school. Granted Milt was mentally challenged.

Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 7/25/10 at 8:31 am to
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Your assumption that SMU was a cupcake back then is waaaay off base. They were a solid team



I didn't say they were a cupcake. I just said what if we had played cupcakes instead of Ohio State and Miami? That's two losses we probably don't have, so we go 10-1 and maybe play in the Sugar Bowl.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 7/25/10 at 8:43 am to
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UF still hadn't even won a conference title yet. They always played us tough, but at the time LSU had a winning series record vs the Gators and they weren't considered very strong yet - Emmitt Smith was only in his second year.


They weren't far removed from a very strong run 1983 to 1985. In '83, they were the only loss for national champion Miami, and that was a 28-3 whipping that, at the time, was the worst loss a national champion had ever suffered. They actually did win the 1984 SEC title, only to have it stripped and vacated due to their NCAA rules violations. In 1985, though on probation, they were an extremely good team and spent at least a good part of the season ranked in the top 2 or 3 in the AP poll. As I recall, they had slipped a bit in '86 and '87, but were still a very solid team.

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I would replace Florida with Miami on that list.

It wasn't a listing of our toughest opponents, it was simply our first five games of the season. That run of three back-to-back-to-back road games was a killer, and sure enough, accounted for two of our three regular season losses that year.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 7/25/10 at 8:45 am to
quote:

To apply a semi-current argument to an 80s situation ... Arnsparger was wining with Jerry Stovall's redshirts and recruits.


Arnsparger recruited pretty well, too. The bottom really fell out after he left. The combination of a poor recruiter in Mike Archer, plus the Eames extortion bullshite put LSU recruiting into the tank for a few years. Curley Hallman, for all his faults, did manage to turn that around, and stocked us with a lot of talent for Gerry DiNardo to win with.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/25/10 at 9:05 am to
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Curley Hallman, for all his faults, did manage to turn that around, and stocked us with a lot of talent for Gerry DiNardo to win with.

I remember that RB class he signed with Jermain Williams and a couple others - one of which i don't think ever even made it to class. But there were three out and out studs. Come to think of it, I don't think any of them finished their eligibility.

But I think it was considered one of the top classes that year.

Posted by Jaketigger
Baton Rouge Area
Member since Feb 2008
5064 posts
Posted on 7/25/10 at 10:08 am to
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Aside from Ohio State, we pretty much play this schedule. NC could be substituted for TAMU.

This ia not even close. Go back and look at those A&M Teams from 1987-1994 or so. They were nothing short of outstanding. There were a cuple that could have competed for a NC had it not been for one or 2 stupid losses. Their defenses were great and always had a strong running game.
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