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re: Thank you to those who choose to serve as police officers
Posted on 8/26/11 at 2:53 pm to Phat Bertman
Posted on 8/26/11 at 2:53 pm to Phat Bertman
quote:If true, "hopefully" (to use his terminology) his re-election will work out about as well as Mike Nifong's.
that chief that was just on tv just finished his re-election campaign
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 2:54 pm
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Posted on 8/26/11 at 2:54 pm to aglandry
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Is possession of the plant illegal or not?Did you know whether it is illegal or not? Anyone who knows something is illegal and does it anyway is an ignorant fool and should be locked up.
Some laws are unjust. And anyone who enforces unjust laws is a horrible human being. I don't care if they are just doing their job or following orders.
We once had a thing called the Fugitive Slave Act. I'm glad some people chose to act with their conscience and ignore it. By your logic, they should have been locked up.
Victimless crime laws are unjust, plain and simple.
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ignorance of the law is no defense.
This statement is the epitome of ignorance and/or statist indoctrination.
I GUARANTEE you that you are not aware of every federal, state, local, and in some cases, international law that you are beholden to right at this moment. I further guarantee that you break at least one of them on a daily basis. Do you deserve to be locked up?
The "ignorance of the law is no excuse" thing is not valid in a society that has detoured from a foundation in natural law to one that legislates daily minutia.
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 8/26/11 at 2:54 pm to NC_Tigah
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And for the record, the ONLY ACTIONS we know for sure occurred are those of the police chief and Lurch,his spokesman, styling and stooging in front of TV cameras.
That's it.
We know some players broke curfew. Some players were involved in a fight.Some have been arrested and charged with second degree battery.Police didn't break curfew.Police did not participate in fight.Police not arrested and charged with second degree battery.Now that's it.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 2:58 pm to NC_Tigah
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that chief that was just on tv just finished his re-election campaign
If true, "hopefully" (to use his terminology) his re-election will work out about as well as Mike Nifong's.
I think that jack wagon chief is appointed.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 2:59 pm to TheTigerZone
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And yes, I firmly agree that cops are horrible human beings. Anyone that would put another human being in a cage because of a victimless crime, like says, possession of a plant, deserves to be literally shite on (diarrhea shite, too).
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The truth finally comes out.All of your venom and hate relate to the criminalization of pot.The police do not make the laws,they enforce them.I guess you slept during high school civics after smoking a doobie in the bathroom Call your congressman and/or legislator and complain to them about the law.I am not a cop,but work with them everyday.You truly have no idea what you are talking about in regard to what they have to deal with day in and day out.
And yes, I firmly agree that cops are horrible human beings. Anyone that would put another human being in a cage because of a victimless crime, like says, possession of a plant, deserves to be literally shite on (diarrhea shite, too).
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The truth finally comes out.All of your venom and hate relate to the criminalization of pot.The police do not make the laws,they enforce them.I guess you slept during high school civics after smoking a doobie in the bathroom Call your congressman and/or legislator and complain to them about the law.I am not a cop,but work with them everyday.You truly have no idea what you are talking about in regard to what they have to deal with day in and day out.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:01 pm to michael corleone
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You truly have no idea what you are talking about in regard to what they have to deal with day in and day out.
Oh shite, here we go...
Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:01 pm to WikiTiger
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Victimless crime laws are unjust, plain and simple.
Who makes that decision,you.Try breaking one and see what happens.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:02 pm to aglandry
quote:Well damn! Yep there's your felony!
We know some players broke curfew.
They were out past team curfew! Absolutely, you're right.
Great point. Well done.
No really, that's
BRILLIANT!
Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:02 pm to jpbTiger
I'd like to congratulate all police officers on earning their GED's. Solid work, boys.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:03 pm to michael corleone
quote:
The truth finally comes out.All of your venom and hate relate to the criminalization of pot.The police do not make the laws,they enforce them.I guess you slept during high school civics after smoking a doobie in the bathroom Call your congressman and/or legislator and complain to them about the law.I am not a cop,but work with them everyday.You truly have no idea what you are talking about in regard to what they have to deal with day in and day out.
I don't smoke marijuana. I don't even drink alcohol. But I do understand unjust and anti-liberty laws. And I do understand that the state abuses its monopoly on the use of force very often. And I do understand that the police are the 'muscle' arm of the state. And I do understand that anyone that enforces unjust laws is a horrible human being.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:05 pm to WikiTiger
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The "ignorance of the law is no excuse" thing is not valid in a society that has detoured from a foundation in natural law to one that legislates daily minutia.
Go break some law and try to plead "ignorance of the law."
Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:08 pm to aglandry
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Go break some law and try to plead "ignorance of the law."
Typical cop. Lacking the ability to think abstractly and critically.
I'm not saying you are wrong. The state will certainly wield its muscle to get me in line.
But answer me these questions honestly:
Do you know all of the laws that you must follow at this very moment?
Do you think its possible for any American to know all of the laws that they must follow at any given time?
Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:08 pm to Cracker
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I think that jack wagon chief is appointed.
I believe he was appointed because our previous chief resigned... I'm pretty sure it's normally an elected position.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:09 pm to pellietigersaint
Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:12 pm to Tigerfan7218
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I believe he was appointed because our previous chief resigned... I'm pretty sure it's normally an elected position.
No.
The Sheriff is elected. BRPD Chief is appointed by the Mayor.
White got the job when Jeff LeDuff (Kip's original appointment as chief several years ago) retired.
Jeff was a solid, honest cop. If he were still Chief, this whole thing very likely would have been handled a lot differently.
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:16 pm to WikiTiger
Wiki,
Not looking to pick a fight but I am curious if your view of the military is held close to your view of police?
Not looking to pick a fight but I am curious if your view of the military is held close to your view of police?
Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:17 pm to WikiTiger
Furthermore, from a philosophical standpoint, are the concepts of mens rea and ignorance of the law is no excuse even compatible?
Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:21 pm to Linkovich
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Not looking to pick a fight but I am curious if your view of the military is held close to your view of police?
Well, I'm a veteran. I typically have no problem with the military when its fulfilling its intended role. I do tend to think that the Posse Comitatus Act is a very good one and I think that my attitude towards the military would change quickly if they violated that act.
All that being said, I also worked for a federal law enforcement agency within the military, and that did help shape my views on police and law enforcement.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:21 pm to aglandry
What is "unjust " about the criminalization of pot.I read your earlier attempt to compare the conscious (or lack thereof)of police officers who enforce CDS laws to the good moral conscious of those who opposed the fugative slave act.Are you freaking serious?Likewise you have repeatedly stated that pot is a "victimless" crime.Do you watch the news? I guess no one gets murdered in the US or Mexico because of the drug trade.I guess your REAL statement is---"If i am at home smoking a blunt,who am i hurting?" Your statement fails to take into account the violence that surrounds the production and transportation of that gram of bud.Oh but wait--maybe you were referring to the small time "self producers" who peacefully grow their own pot.They are preyed upon by street criminals who view them as easy robbery targets.They possess cash/pot,which is perfect for street trade.Likewise they usually do not report the crime because they were illegaly growing pot.You really may want to rethink some of these silly positions before stating them on the web.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:24 pm to michael corleone
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What is "unjust " about the criminalization of pot.I read your earlier attempt to compare the conscious (or lack thereof)of police officers who enforce CDS laws to the good moral conscious of those who opposed the fugative slave act.Are you freaking serious?Likewise you have repeatedly stated that pot is a "victimless" crime.Do you watch the news? I guess no one gets murdered in the US or Mexico because of the drug trade.I guess your REAL statement is---"If i am at home smoking a blunt,who am i hurting?" Your statement fails to take into account the violence that surrounds the production and transportation of that gram of bud.Oh but wait--maybe you were referring to the small time "self producers" who peacefully grow their own pot.They are preyed upon by street criminals who view them as easy robbery targets.They possess cash/pot,which is perfect for street trade.Likewise they usually do not report the crime because they were illegaly growing pot.You really may want to rethink some of these silly positions before stating them on the web.
Wow. The amount of ignorance in this one post is staggering.
I tell you what. I have to go cut the grass. I was supposed to do it hours ago but I got wrapped up in this thread and a few on the poli board. But if you are truly interested in learning about the anti-liberty effects of prohibition as well as the societal negatives brought about by prohibition, then please join us on the poli board for a discussion. I'll be back a little later.
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 3:25 pm
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