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re: Ted Miller BCS chat still blaming Oregons turnovers

Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:34 pm to
Posted by ThePoo
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Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:34 pm to
Oregon forced 5 turnovers against Stanford...Stanford was the better team
Posted by dansr731
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Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:35 pm to
Nobody ever mentions Oregon gave up 40 to a team that had to change quarterbacks 8 days before the game.
Posted by LSUNatedogg
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:44 pm to
But, but...the SEC is weak this year! They only have 5 teams with 8 or more wins!

How many of those teams does the PAC12 have? Three.

I sort of liked the ducks before this season and all the excuses.
Posted by GoDucks349
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Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:13 am to
Yes, Oregon still beats Stanford without the turnovers. Of the Oregon turnovers, Stanford managed 3 points. Of the three Stanford turnover that occurred while the game was still in doubt, Oregon scored three TDs. Two of Stanfords turnovers were late in the game with the game out of reach and Oregon didn't make an effort to score on those, it was garbage time.

That's all I'm saying on that. As for comparing how Oregon would do right now vs. LSU relative to how we did in the opening game. I don't know. We certainly are a much better defensive team than we were early in the season. Of course I think LSU has improved as well so who knows what would happen in a rematch. Certainly LSU would be the favorite and it would be up to Oregon to prove themselves.

Personally, Alabama doesn't belong in the NC. I'll say this kicking IS part of football, coaching and part of being a top program. Bama was pathetic. I think they rank around 70th or 80th in the country in the kicking game.

Posted by GoDucks349
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Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:17 am to
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Homers gonna home, I guess.

I'm fine with Oregon or Pac12 fans arguing that they are as deserving for a rematch as Bama, but the lack of respect for LSU after all the shite it has accomplished this year is mind bottling.


I'm not sure I know who's disrespecting LSU. Myself as a Duck fan have great respect for LSU, you've earned it and you have great fans.
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:22 am to
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Myself as a Duck fan have great respect for LSU, you've earned it and you have great fans.



Stop giving us reasons to not hurl personal insults on you and your conference. arse.
This post was edited on 11/15/11 at 9:22 am
Posted by GoDucks349
Westfir
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Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:25 am to
One more thing, Oregon still has to beat USC this weekend. Any discussions of a rematch are on hold until the next three games are played. SC is playing each game like it's there bowl game and it is because "they ain't goin nowhere".
Posted by lsufball19
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Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:25 am to
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Yes, Oregon still beats Stanford without the turnovers. Of the Oregon turnovers, Stanford managed 3 points. Of the three Stanford turnover that occurred while the game was still in doubt, Oregon scored three TDs. Two of Stanfords turnovers were late in the game with the game out of reach and Oregon didn't make an effort to score on those, it was garbage time.

That's all I'm saying on that. As for comparing how Oregon would do right now vs. LSU relative to how we did in the opening game. I don't know. We certainly are a much better defensive team than we were early in the season. Of course I think LSU has improved as well so who knows what would happen in a rematch. Certainly LSU would be the favorite and it would be up to Oregon to prove themselves.

Personally, Alabama doesn't belong in the NC. I'll say this kicking IS part of football, coaching and part of being a top program. Bama was pathetic. I think they rank around 70th or 80th in the country in the kicking game.

honestly, for me, oregon post lsu looks just like they did pre auburn last year. i don't see any difference. they score a ton of points and have a decent defense. but when they play big defenses that have players just as fast as theirs, they can't just roll on them offensively. i fully expected oregon to do just what they've done since playing lsu. the pac 10 is much like the big 12 where there just really isn't a lot of defense played. it's just a different brand of football and a bad matchup against a lot of sec teams. i think if lsu and oregon were to play again, the game would yield very similar results. LMJ and DT are not big enough to run b/t the tackles on LSU and LSU is fast enough to not allow them to get to the outside. lsu's running backs are also just too big for the oregon defense and eventually wear them out in the 2nd half.
This post was edited on 11/15/11 at 9:28 am
Posted by GoDucks349
Westfir
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Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:29 am to
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Myself as a Duck fan have great respect for LSU, you've earned it and you have great fans.





Stop giving us reasons to not hurl personal insults on you and your conference. arse.


Uh, Ok...... Life's good, I do hope we get another shot at you guys. I'd still love to see a home and home with LSU. I think that would be great.
Posted by OldSarge38
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:31 am to
Oh, wow. They had one good drive? That's cherry picking of the highest order.

And that was against 3nd & 3rd stringers in a prevent defense. The left tackle for O grabed the facemask of the DE rushing the passer 3 plays in a row on that drive and none were called, otherwise that score doesn't happen.
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:33 am to
Whom does Ted Miller blame for the knuckle head DB/KR being off the field, and turning over duties of defending vs RR and returning kicks, to a freshman?

half those turnovers were due to the best Oregon defender being punished for knucklehead-ism. Last I heard, he went out and drove his car in the dark without the lights on, while driving on a suspended license, after he had been briefly reinstated.

Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:33 am to
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I'd still love to see a home and home with LSU. I think that would be great.

unfortunately, if the SEC does go to a 9 conference game schedule, I'd imagine you'll see fewer of these marquee ooc match-ups...sad.
Posted by Mayhawman
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:37 am to
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Of the three Stanford turnover that occurred while the game was still in doubt, Oregon scored three TDs.
21 of 23 point win no factor in W, and of course wouldn't have affected the playcalling later in the game?

I remember you being much more sensible at start of the season.
Posted by graychef
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:42 am to
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We certainly are a much better defensive team than we were early in the season. Of course I think LSU has improved as well so who knows what would happen in a rematch.


Everybody knows what would happen in a rematch.
Posted by GoDucks349
Westfir
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:57 am to
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Of the three Stanford turnover that occurred while the game was still in doubt, Oregon scored three TDs.


21 of 23 point win no factor in W, and of course wouldn't have affected the playcalling later in the game?

I remember you being much more sensible at start of the season.


I don't think I've changed significantly. I do understand what you are saying. Still if you removed points off turnovers, 21 for Oregon and 3 for stanford. Ducks still win by five. Sure play calling changes. Maybe Stanford would have run more in the fourth and Oregon would have kept the first unit on the field at the end of the game. Still Ducks win. What is important to remember is that Oregon was very "healthy" for this game and Stanford was missing about four key players. If they'd have had those players and no turnover and playing at home. It might have been different.

Also, looking at the fumble stats, I think LM's fumble on a punt return is missing from the stats. Interesting. Maybe it was recovered by Oregon and doesn't show.
Posted by jmac63
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:31 am to
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mind bottling


yikes, that sounds painful!
Posted by LSUNatedogg
Member since Oct 2010
248 posts
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:31 am to
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Stop giving us reasons to not hurl personal insults on you and your conference. arse.


This is exactly what I was thinking.

GoDucks349,
Thanks for being a rational Ducks fan. The hypocrisy of some ducks fans blaming their LSU loss on the turnovers, then ignoring the fact that they got +3 TOs last week and taking all the credit for demolishing Stanford just grinds my gears. You can't have it both ways. Turnovers or no, I think the team that wins a game by multiple score would have won the game without those turnovers.

Lack of respect comes from all the fanbases we have beat. Very few have your outlook. The media seems intent on tearing down the image of LSU as a juggernaut. If one of their darling teams had the schedule/record/point differential we have this season, they would be the GTOAT and nothing could stop them(read as Oklahoma every year).
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