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TCU versus similar talent to LSU in 2012...
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:19 pm
Let's break it down:
They lost their bowl game, although closely, to a mediocre Michigan State. We lost a game we shouldn't have to a Clemson team that was better than Michigan State. As we both lost, I call that a push.
Let's look at K-State, Texas Tech and Oklahoma. TCU lost all three of those games, but scored 80 points.
They beat WV @ Morgantown (in 2OT) and Texas in Austin (20-13).
So, the only game they won, with a similar overall talent level to LSU was Texas.
Other issues include their 4-2-5 base, which hopefully our size and strength in the middle can either take them out of their comfort zone, wear them down early, or both.
On the other side, we have plenty of young talent on defense, but have had inconsistent success against these non-traditional offenses. We handled Johnny Football in 2012, but did not face the type of offense that TCU fields, at least not one with their talent.
It should be interesting early, but the defense that does the better job in the first half, probably dictates the outcome of this one. I think they have more questions coming into the game, from a talent perspective, than we do, but first game jitters keeps it close.
SLIGHT EDGE - LSU, based on talent alone.
They lost their bowl game, although closely, to a mediocre Michigan State. We lost a game we shouldn't have to a Clemson team that was better than Michigan State. As we both lost, I call that a push.
Let's look at K-State, Texas Tech and Oklahoma. TCU lost all three of those games, but scored 80 points.
They beat WV @ Morgantown (in 2OT) and Texas in Austin (20-13).
So, the only game they won, with a similar overall talent level to LSU was Texas.
Other issues include their 4-2-5 base, which hopefully our size and strength in the middle can either take them out of their comfort zone, wear them down early, or both.
On the other side, we have plenty of young talent on defense, but have had inconsistent success against these non-traditional offenses. We handled Johnny Football in 2012, but did not face the type of offense that TCU fields, at least not one with their talent.
It should be interesting early, but the defense that does the better job in the first half, probably dictates the outcome of this one. I think they have more questions coming into the game, from a talent perspective, than we do, but first game jitters keeps it close.
SLIGHT EDGE - LSU, based on talent alone.
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Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:22 pm to Ace Midnight
Les is going to let the big guys up front bulldoze and keep the frogs offense off the field. Look for some screens and dumps to the TE's early.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:23 pm to Ace Midnight
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4-2-5 base
this is just a nickel package. We're going to run it down their throats, they'll have to put 8 or more in the box and when they do... we showcase the new passing game.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:23 pm to Ace Midnight
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CLEAR EDGE - LSU, based on talent alone.
FIFY
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:27 pm to ccomeaux
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this is just a nickel package.
A base 4-2-5 is not a nickel package (which is situational) - it is similar only in alignment.
It is excellent against a spread, but not so much against a strong, downhill running game.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:31 pm to ccomeaux
[quote]We're going to run it down their throats, they'll have to put 8 or more in the box and when they do... we showcase the new passing game.[/quote]
bum bum bummmm
bum bum bummmm
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:40 pm to Ace Midnight
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They lost their bowl game, although closely, to a mediocre Michigan State. We lost a game we shouldn't have to a Clemson team that was better than Michigan State. As we both lost, I call that a push.
I agree. LSU has a definite talent advantage in this game.
However, last year's bowl games are completely irrelevant. If they were relevant though, Clemson>>>>>Michigan State, so this would definitely not be a push.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:44 pm to PurpleAndGold86
TCU didn't have their star QB
I really hate when people use 2012 to predict 2013. You know how different LSU is from 2012, a lot of other teams are like that. I simply don't see 2012 as a way of predicting 2013.
But carry on.
I really hate when people use 2012 to predict 2013. You know how different LSU is from 2012, a lot of other teams are like that. I simply don't see 2012 as a way of predicting 2013.
But carry on.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:49 pm to ccomeaux
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this is just a nickel package. We're going to run it down their throats, they'll have to put 8 or more in the box and when they do... we showcase the new passing game.
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Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:52 pm to TexasTiger1185
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You know how different LSU is from 2012, a lot of other teams are like that. I simply don't see 2012 as a way of predicting 2013.
But carry on.
Not sure if this was actually directed at me or you just replied to me, but I just said the same exact thing above. So
If it wasn't directed at me then carry on.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:52 pm to TexasTiger1185
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But carry on.
It's the first game - we sort of have to base it on what we saw last year, at least from a starting point.
Obviously our offense is looking to be heavily revamped, if not brand new (and we've heard this before).
I agree it is not apples-to-apples, but, as the teams both return many of the same players, coaches and schemes (particularly defensively on our side) - it isn't apples-to-oranges, either.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:54 pm to Ace Midnight
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as the teams both return many of the same players,
Didn't we lose the highest number of under classmen in the history of the NFL draft this past offseason?
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:05 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Didn't we lose the highest number of under classmen in the history of the NFL draft this past offseason?
I didn't say "all" - you never return all. I count 37 returning lettermen, including 16 sophomores. We have also have 7 seniors who have 3 letters. We're a little light in junior and senior lettermen overall, but that's made up for in how deep the team is, almost at every position.
I'm a little worried about experience at corner, and if we took an early injury to an offensive tackle - other than that, I think we have as much depth, across the board, as at any time in the past 6 or 7 years.
This post was edited on 8/27/13 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:09 pm to Ace Midnight
As I read on some silly blog, TCU will not try and stop LSU, just out score them. This could cause trouble for the Tigers if they have one of their typical slow starts.
However, I just don't see TCU's offense running away with the game. While the LSU Dline is rebuilt, I think they are going to be able to eat up blocks and allow the LBers to pressure the QB. Also, I have confidence in the secondary in this game.
All in all it should be a great game.
However, I just don't see TCU's offense running away with the game. While the LSU Dline is rebuilt, I think they are going to be able to eat up blocks and allow the LBers to pressure the QB. Also, I have confidence in the secondary in this game.
All in all it should be a great game.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:09 pm to Ace Midnight
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I didn't say "all" - you never return all.
I get that, but I wouldn't say a team that lost as much as we did is returning "many" guys since that is the very reason many in the media are, in my opinion, underrating LSU a little bit heading into the season.
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I think we have as much depth, across the board, as at any time in the past 6 or 7 years.
I'm very optimistic about this team and believe we have the potential to turn some heads this season, but you can't be serious? We aren't as deep at RB and we aren't anywhere near as deep on the defensive line as we have been.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:14 pm to Ace Midnight
early on with chavis we sruggked against the spread. He now has his players and can run just ab any defense. we actually have done a lot better than other teams in the sec recently.
really just need the secondary to be better. which usually happens from year 1-2 with our dbs if you just look around the nfl.
really just need the secondary to be better. which usually happens from year 1-2 with our dbs if you just look around the nfl.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:24 pm to Bmath
"As I read on some silly blog, TCU will not try and stop LSU, just out score them."
Probably not, they are the only team in the Big 12 that plays defense, their offense sucked last year.
Out score to win, look at Baylor and WVU. Didnt it end up 70+ to 60+ points.
Probably not, they are the only team in the Big 12 that plays defense, their offense sucked last year.
Out score to win, look at Baylor and WVU. Didnt it end up 70+ to 60+ points.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:33 pm to Ace Midnight
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A base 4-2-5 is not a nickel package (which is situational) - it is similar only in alignment.
It is excellent against a spread, but not so much against a strong, downhill running game.
Alignment is how a defense is categorized. What they do with the 5th DB is questionable and may be situational but a 4-2-5 is in fact, the NICKEL PKG.
I think you like to tell people they are wrong to make yourself look better, so... carry on.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:34 pm to yumadbroski
I just don't think they have the athletes on defense to match up with the physicality of LSU's offense.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:43 pm to Bmath
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As I read on some silly blog, TCU will not try and stop LSU, just out score them. This could cause trouble for the Tigers if they have one of their typical slow starts.
I'd be shocked if this was the case. Patterson wants to chew up the clock minimizing the other side's possessions, if possible. I'd be shocked if TCU tries to get into a shootout.
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