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Starting Lineup and Rotation
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:46 pm
I've said this multiple times in the game thread and all season long. This team has zero identity and consistency when it comes to the starting lineup and rotations which in turn seems to hinder their rhythm. Their is no pecking order amongst these players and haven't identified the "go to guy" in the clutch.
Not only do I think our personnel substitutions are sporadic and are done with no direction but the timing appears to be equally baffling. Wade makes subs very quickly in what almost looks like over management (even though it looked like nobody was at the helm for the majority of the second half tonight). I'd expect to see this sort of thing in November but with conference play nearing its getting frustrating to see the coaching staff still hasn't figured it out.
Thoughts on the ideal starting 5 and subs to follow? I personally think KVB is underutilized and a young team like this could use some experience between guys like him and Mays.
Not only do I think our personnel substitutions are sporadic and are done with no direction but the timing appears to be equally baffling. Wade makes subs very quickly in what almost looks like over management (even though it looked like nobody was at the helm for the majority of the second half tonight). I'd expect to see this sort of thing in November but with conference play nearing its getting frustrating to see the coaching staff still hasn't figured it out.
Thoughts on the ideal starting 5 and subs to follow? I personally think KVB is underutilized and a young team like this could use some experience between guys like him and Mays.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:47 pm to BackInBlackTiger
I agree with everything you said. Waters regression has been the most disappointing part to me. Dude was a preseason all American.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:48 pm to BackInBlackTiger
Mays
Smart
M Taylor
E Williams
KVB
Gives you good guard play, athleticism and size
Smart
M Taylor
E Williams
KVB
Gives you good guard play, athleticism and size
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:51 pm to Canebreak
Waters’ regression and rebounding. Wade went out and recruited guys that had good high school rebounding prowess. It has not translated in the slightest with this team.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:55 pm to BackInBlackTiger
I think Javonte needs an increased role offensively. He seems to be our most well rounded offensive option right now.
I think Daryl Edwards needs a bigger role. He proved to be a guy last season that can handle 20+ minutes and provide a spark with his outside shooting and while he isn’t a great defender by any means he isn’t the complete liability that Tremont is.
Some may view this as an overreaction but I don’t think Tremont Waters is very good. I get where his value comes in, but I didn’t think he was great last season and I don’t think he’s been good this season. Its hard because of the hype, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him take a back seat to Smart and Mays right now.
I also don’t see what Days is really giving you either.
I would probably go some form of Smart, Mays, Edwards, Reid, and Bigby-Williams. Maybe stagger Tremont minutes and he could be that third guard who rotated with Smart and Mays.
Reid is a tough discussion but to me you keep running him out there and hope and pray the light comes on and he realizes that the type of game he’s playing now won’t lead to future success.
I think Daryl Edwards needs a bigger role. He proved to be a guy last season that can handle 20+ minutes and provide a spark with his outside shooting and while he isn’t a great defender by any means he isn’t the complete liability that Tremont is.
Some may view this as an overreaction but I don’t think Tremont Waters is very good. I get where his value comes in, but I didn’t think he was great last season and I don’t think he’s been good this season. Its hard because of the hype, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him take a back seat to Smart and Mays right now.
I also don’t see what Days is really giving you either.
I would probably go some form of Smart, Mays, Edwards, Reid, and Bigby-Williams. Maybe stagger Tremont minutes and he could be that third guard who rotated with Smart and Mays.
Reid is a tough discussion but to me you keep running him out there and hope and pray the light comes on and he realizes that the type of game he’s playing now won’t lead to future success.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:57 pm to CP3forMVP
I was with you until you said Edwards needs an increased role.... that’s hilarious.
The dude is a liability. Did you not watch today’s game, at all?
The dude is a liability. Did you not watch today’s game, at all?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:58 pm to CP3forMVP
I agree with you on Days. Don’t really see the value he adds. Would like to see Taylor get more minutes with the combination you mentioned.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:59 pm to GEAUX5
quote:
I was with you until you said Edwards needs an increased role.... that’s hilarious. The dude is a liability. Did you not watch today’s game, at all?
I did and think he’s better than he’s shown tonight and this season in particular.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:06 pm to CP3forMVP
quote:
also don’t see what Days is really giving you either.
Project their numbers with even minutes played and I’d bet he’s giving you more rebounds, more blocks, less fouls, less turnovers, and better shooting percentages than reid.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:09 pm to CP3forMVP
quote:
I think Daryl Edwards needs a bigger role.
Holy shite, if so we might not win another game
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:13 pm to Open Your Eyes
I’m sorry but I haven’t been impressed with Reid’s play whatsoever. Appears to be touted so highly only because of his size.
He has terrible rebounding fundamentals and no idea how to use his size to get open in the paint. Only takes poorly selected 3s and tries to slam it down. Just seems to half assedly trot around the court.
I get these huge recruits are very likely 1 and don’t but it doesn’t even look like he has an interest in faking it at this point.
He has terrible rebounding fundamentals and no idea how to use his size to get open in the paint. Only takes poorly selected 3s and tries to slam it down. Just seems to half assedly trot around the court.
I get these huge recruits are very likely 1 and don’t but it doesn’t even look like he has an interest in faking it at this point.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:21 pm to BackInBlackTiger
I have a thread on this too. But I will say it here as well. Our biggest problem imo is giving up rebounds on the defensive end. You can’t beat good teams when its 50/50 if they miss they get it back. I want to put as much size as we can out there
Bigby williams
Naz
E williams
Smart
Mays
Play Days starter minutes and take 1 of the three big guys out when he comes in and rotate. But 3 out of those 4 need to be on the floor at all tomes. We have to stop taking bad shots. We have to hold on to the basketball. Players need to be held accountable with playing time for any hero ball bs.
Bigby williams
Naz
E williams
Smart
Mays
Play Days starter minutes and take 1 of the three big guys out when he comes in and rotate. But 3 out of those 4 need to be on the floor at all tomes. We have to stop taking bad shots. We have to hold on to the basketball. Players need to be held accountable with playing time for any hero ball bs.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:28 am to BackInBlackTiger
What’s truly amazing and depressing is over the last 2 games and long break for extra practice time to make changes, Wade started playing Naz on the block or at the FT line and we looked like we had the makings of an identity offensively. He also played KVB 25 minutes + and we had a rim protector/rebounder that took pressure and foul trouble away from Naz. Tonight Wade reverted back to what didn’t work and killed us in the big games this year. Naz isn’t a 5, he’s a guy who grew late and hasn’t played near the basket most of his life. He also doesn’t have the lift or understanding of angles to be a competent defensive center. He’s a pure 4 who can step away from the basket occasionally. Bigby-Williams is your only center and he played fewer minutes than fricking Edwards!! This is the flashpoint of all our problems. Our rebounding and defensive numbers when KVB, Days and Taylor are on the floor at the same time are top 10 for points per possession and top 5 for rebounding pct yet for whatever reason Wade won’t play KVB. When Houston went on the big run we had Emmitt at the 5 and Taylor at 4. These things are elementary for anyone who knows basketball, my fear is that Wade, who never played basketball, is totally analytic driven and has no feel or intimate knowledge of the game. I also suspect that these high level recruits own him and this is why you’re seeing the street ball offense instead of the super efficient offense we ran last season.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 12:31 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 6:06 am to BackInBlackTiger
No reason a kid with Reid's size is shooting 3pt shots. Yes, he can hit them but he's a 6'10" forward and needs to be on the blocks.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 7:43 am to CP3forMVP
I agree with the Smart comment. I see him taking more of a leadership role every game. At some point this will be his team. I also saw Reid playing more down low although not enough. he can dominate with his size and quickness drawing fouls even if he doesn't score.They need to value possessions at the end of these games. That and the fact that they got out hustled on the boards at the end. That is the most disappointing thing I have seen this year. We should be dominating the board with our size and athletic ability.Rebounding is strictly attitude and effort.If they can fix those 2 things, they can still have a great season. If they don't. It's NIT.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 7:47 am to CP3forMVP
quote:
think Daryl Edwards needs a bigger role.
You lost everyone here. Edwards is probably the 9th best guy in our rotation of 9 guys. No offense ot him but he's very talent limited. He's basically a guy who can knock down some open 3's and that's it...and nobody is leaving him open so he isnt even doing that.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 7:48 am to Palm Beach Tiger
quote:
E williams
Is not a 3 at all and not sure why people continue to think he can play there.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 7:51 am to pufftiger
Smart needs to be running the point and I believe it is time to ditch the three guard starting lineup. You have length it’s time to start using it. Put Emmitt Williams at the three.
Smart
Mays
Emmitt
Reid
Bigby-Williams
Long and athletic at all 5 positions. You have a rim protector, a gritty tough rebounder that understands his role, and three guys that any given night can take over a game.
Smart
Mays
Emmitt
Reid
Bigby-Williams
Long and athletic at all 5 positions. You have a rim protector, a gritty tough rebounder that understands his role, and three guys that any given night can take over a game.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 7:57 am to geauxtigers33
quote:
Put Emmitt Williams at the three.
Jesus folks, he's NOT A THREE. Dude is a traditional power forward. Just because he's 6'6 doesnt mean he's a fit a tthe 3.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:01 am to ElectricWizard0
quote:
Mays
Smart
M Taylor
E Williams
KVB
Gives you good guard play, athleticism and size
I like this lineup. I might substitute Days for E Williams but I can go with this. Waters and Reid need to see their time limited until they can play focused, under control basketball.
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