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re: Somebody inform BK that LSU was the official 2003 national champs

Posted on 8/30/24 at 12:37 am to
Posted by im4LSU
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2004
34346 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 12:37 am to
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The problem comes in when you claim some authority or agreement to exclusivity that did not exist.


This is your problem. Its because that clarification doesnt have to be made. Everyone agreed on this system. You said it yourself...

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Qualifying everything with “BCS National Champion” is absolutely accurate.


It was an actual game called the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. The goal of everyone was to have one true NATIONAL CHAMPION and the BCS was the system agreed upon. If everybody agreed that this would be the process used, that's it. Case closed. But when things didn't go the way some wanted, the argument goes to "well we didn't say it would be the ONLY one". Shut up with that nonsense. Cool, have your fun. Still doesn't make it legit.


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The BCS had no power to stop the AP from declaring a different champion, no power to prevent schools from accepting their trophy, and especially no power to prevent the general public from acknowledging USC’s AP championship as legitimate


Just like nobody has the power to stop Jimmy from calling himself Jennifer. I'm sure he would get tons of support. It doesn't make it true though, and Id be willing to bet you wouldnt play along with that lie because facts are facts.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
4182 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 7:07 am to
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It was an actual game called the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.


No, it was called the BCS National Championship. It was the national championship declared by the BCS and guaranteed through contractual arrangement with the Coaches’ Poll, but it had no effect on the AP national championship selection. Lacking official NCAA sanctioning it was still dependent upon public acceptance for its legitimacy. If you look at the national polls section of the NCAA Record Book, it describes the CFP as a playoff to determine THE national champions. It describes the BCS as a bowl game to select A national champion. Notice the difference in wording. The CFP is THE national championship as in the only champion. The BCS is A national championship as in one of potentially multiple champions.

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But when things didn't go the way some wanted, the argument goes to "well we didn't say it would be the ONLY one".


It was that way from the beginning. Nobody changed course in 2003. The AP never agreed to crown the BCS champion. Scroll down to where Roy Kramer discusses 2003 in the linked interview. He acknowledges they always knew there was the possibility of the AP selecting a different champion and admitting the BCS failed in its goal to select a consensus #1 vs #2 matchup in 2003. Nowhere does he insist that the AP champion was irrelevant or illegitimate. The fact that they even discussed it at all points to the fact that isn’t the done deal you are trying to make it out to be. Clearly the AP selection of USC held weight and relevance. The article discusses how that forced changes in the BCS and helped lead to the CFP. If it was obsolete or meaningless it would not have had that impact.

Roy Kramer BCS Discussion

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Just like nobody has the power to stop Jimmy from calling himself Jennifer. I'm sure he would get tons of support. It doesn't make it true though, and Id be willing to bet you wouldnt play along with that lie because facts are facts.


The problem with that analogy is that the BCS is what is trying to make itself something that it is not in this case through self-declaration. There was no official NCAA sanctioned championship. As such, any selector declaring itself the one and only is pretending to be something it is not. It’s only as legitimate as public acceptance allows. The public accepted its champion, but also accepted the AP’s champion. Ultimately the public demanded a true playoff because it grew weary of the BCS pretending to be something it wasn’t.
Posted by tonydtigr
Beautiful Downtown Glenn Springs,Tx
Member since Nov 2011
6378 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 7:11 am to
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BCS pretending to be something it wasn’t.


Much like you. Your schtick is becoming tiring.
Posted by im4LSU
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2004
34346 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:01 am to
FYI, I’m not reading anything you said.

You and the tard you are white knighting for sound like absolute idiots and you don’t understand why. Yall are perfectly pathetic for each other.
Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
12694 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:26 am to
Too bad there was no 4 team playoff then. I remember Auburn getting screwed in 2004 or so.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
4182 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:31 am to
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You and the tard you are white knighting for sound like absolute idiots and you don’t understand why. Yall are perfectly pathetic for each other.


I have responded in this thread to people who hold a position different from mine. My beliefs have nothing to do with the OP and I am not associated with him in any way. I’m not defending him nor do I care what people think of him. If acknowledging the reality that most people outside of LSU fans recognize USC’s AP title makes me an idiot, so be it. I will not engage in groupthink here or in any other setting for the sake of acceptance. It would be one thing if I was taking contrarian positions for the sake of annoying people or if I were badmouthing LSU. Neither is the case here. I have said nothing bad about LSU and have espoused only things I actually believe to be true. I can’t help if that upsets people, but that is not my goal.
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
7918 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:59 am to
Something is wrong with you....seriously. You are fighting so hard to take away from LSU and the truth. You are literally ate up with it. Something is very very off with you.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
4182 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:38 am to
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You are fighting so hard to take away from LSU and the truth.


Link?

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You are literally ate up with it. Something is very very off with you.


I am not the one on here calling names and working myself into a frenzy just because my ego is too fragile to accept than anyone might give credit to USC. It’s pretty clear whose reactions are off. That would be the one engaging in stalker behavior.
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 10:24 pm
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