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re: Some LSU profs don't support athletics
Posted on 10/30/09 at 12:08 pm to athletemed
Posted on 10/30/09 at 12:08 pm to athletemed
Tell them to stop asking for money from the athletics department then.
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Posted on 10/30/09 at 12:08 pm to BhamTigah
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Do you really believe the public sector funds would go to the chemistry department if LSU football did not exist? These are discretionary funds, and most people would just take an extra vacation. This would benefit Destin, not the chemistry department or even BR.
this
Posted on 10/30/09 at 12:16 pm to tigerfoot
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Nope, possibly the most conservative man on the planet......but you just go ahead with your juvenile assumptions. Also, go ahead and be so dense as to not see that these arguments are not mutually exclusive
"Nothing's more annoying than someone asking a political question during a sporting event. It's not just impolite, it's criminal. If Les Miles goes 5-for-5 in fourth-down conversions, I don't care who he votes for." James Carville
Posted on 10/30/09 at 12:17 pm to msbargas
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"Nothing's more annoying than someone asking a political question during a sporting event. It's not just impolite, it's criminal. If Les Miles goes 5-for-5 in fourth-down conversions, I don't care who he votes for." James Carville
I like this. This is the Rant, not the Politard board. The OP never mentioned politics.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 12:21 pm to PunchDrunk
The bigger question would be who determines where the money should be spent. The biggest problem I have with a discussion such as this is that each special interest believes they are the most qualified to determine where and how to spend the dollars. Spending the money on correcting social ills will not solve the problems as was pointed out by a previous poster. Spending the money on higher education will not necessarily improve the process (in Louisiana we would probably just develop another directional university (SELU, ULL, ULM, etc.) Eliminating college athletics and spending the money on other endeavors causes as many problems as it solves.
Communities that embrace all agendas in the planning process seem to be the most successful at allocating their limited resources among the various constiuency priorities. Austin Texas would serve as an example as would Knoxville, Tennessee.
Effective community leadership, not bitter university professors, seems to be the mechanism for decisions such as these, not individual or special interests.
Communities that embrace all agendas in the planning process seem to be the most successful at allocating their limited resources among the various constiuency priorities. Austin Texas would serve as an example as would Knoxville, Tennessee.
Effective community leadership, not bitter university professors, seems to be the mechanism for decisions such as these, not individual or special interests.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 12:52 pm to athletemed
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He said, people should spend their time worrying about and trying to fix bigger problems.
Why can't we do both?
Have a great athletic program AND improve the University?
Posted on 10/30/09 at 1:07 pm to athletemed
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That struck me as to wonder how much of a disconnect professors who teach at LSU have with the students they serve and the community as a whole.
Wow. And you concluded this about the entire body of professors at LSU based on the words of a single professor?
It seems like you've got a disconnect with the professor body.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 1:09 pm to midcitycid
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wtf is a "general studies" major?
Typically they are more intelligent than average and have a great resume for law or business school.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 1:11 pm to LSUnowhas2
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Without the football program, everything else would falter.
really, how, pray tell do you explain the existance of UNO for example?
FB pays for the athletic department, not the entire school.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 1:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Without the football program, everything else would falter.
really, how, pray tell do you explain the existance of UNO for example?
psst... with that comment you're helping to prove his point, not disprove it.
btw - UNO is part of LSU
This post was edited on 10/30/09 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 10/30/09 at 1:27 pm to athletemed
The only problem I've ever encountered due to football is that LSU academic facilities shut down 7-8 times a year. It's not too concerning if you are an undergrad (who really wants to go the library). But instead, it bothers some graduate students I know who can't come to campus to do research they need to do in order to graduate.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 1:31 pm to Guster
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But instead, it bothers some graduate students I know who can't come to campus to do research they need to do in order to graduate.
There's no rules prohibiting graduate students from entering campus on gamedays.Posted on 10/30/09 at 1:41 pm to DEANintheYAY
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I know that LSU Sports are in the BLACK, but by how much? How much money per year does LSU Athletics give to the university??
$30 Million budgeted next year to go from athletic to academics
Posted on 10/30/09 at 1:42 pm to TigerWoody
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"conservative" media
This hasn't existed for a while now
Posted on 10/30/09 at 1:44 pm to TigerWoody
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I agree with most of what you said. I don't get the bash the professor bullshite. Profs are employees of the Univ paid to educate, not support the football team or any other sport. We (LSU) are fortunate to be one of the rare football programs that can give back to the University. I DO believe that LSU can and does have an impact on the future of Louisiana through the research and education it provides. The football team and all athletics can be ambassadors for that effort. Some profs are blind to this unfortunately and believe that academics and research should stand for themselves. To that I say good luck achieving that utopia in Louisiana and most states outside the elite academic universities around the country.
Okay, now I do agree with you here.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 1:48 pm to Chicot
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This hasn't existed for a while now
Really? Have you ever heard of AM radio? Does FOX not make it to your TV?
Posted on 10/30/09 at 1:49 pm to athletemed
Well maybe you should inform him that the football program provides the MOST revenue for the university. Then the money that football makes also funds many of the other sports as well. So if we let the football program go to ruin, the athletic program takes an enormous hit. It seems ridiculous that we spend so much on athletics sometimes but when we pay tuition, it doesn't go towards funding the football program.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 1:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
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really, how, pray tell do you explain the existance of UNO for example
Really?
Are you really going to attempt to compare the academics at LSU to UNO? (Which by the way was LSUNO, and is still part of the LSU system). LSU Baton Rouge is much better than UNO, and I am sure that the millions of dollar that the athletic department to the academic side of the university doesn't hurt.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 1:52 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Have you ever heard of AM radio? Does FOX not make it to your TV?
Didn't AM radio go away in the late '70s or early '80s?
Just kiddin. And yes just because one station can be considered conservative doesn't mean the entire media can be...especially now with most networks leaning more toward the liberal side.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 1:53 pm to BhamTigah
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Do you really believe the public sector funds would go to the chemistry department if LSU football did not exist? These are discretionary funds, and most people would just take an extra vacation. This would benefit Destin, not the chemistry department or even BR.
I agree with you. But that is also my point. The state and community could decide to invest in academics, science and technology, develop infrastructure, attract top notch faculty, and develop biotech incubators and spin off companies. There are people in the Baton Rouge Chamber of Commerce and other business entities that are making that very argument to wealthy donors and state legislators as we speak. Such a model has been very successful at other cities/universities.
But I agree with you, that type of model will not work as well here, simply because most people either do not agree, do not care, or do not understand. You get the message clearly simply from reading this thread. Several posts basically say "Football is all that matters, who cares about a chemistry experiment". I am in no way trying to diminish the value of football, its impact on the community, or the fact that the LSU Athletic Department actually runs a profit and gives to the University. All of those are great.
My only hope is that the people who make these lame, uneducated posts will actually stop and think about the value of a University independent from big budget athletics, and to suggest that investing in academics can have a major impact on the community. The reason is because the LSU System is currently being faced with massive budget cuts. Whole departments are being closed or broken apart. Faculty are losing jobs, and LSU is losing its ability to compete for high quality researchers. And yet all people seem to care about is where LSU Football is ranked in the BCS.
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