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re: Softball game 3: #11LSU 2 VS #22Ole Miss 3 Final

Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:38 pm to
Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:38 pm to
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the staff's refusal to be creative and make changes.

bullshite. Who started at DP today? When's the last game we didn't have a lineup change?
This post was edited on 4/15/17 at 10:39 pm
Posted by Bhs83
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:38 pm to
True i forgot about Vidales
Posted by LSUAshlyn
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:47 pm to
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When's the last game we didn't have a lineup change?


A line up change is not being creative and putting players in the best possible position to succeed. The staff is reaching for straws with no idea what to do. We are more than half way through the SEC schedule and our creativity is DP'ing our 4th string pitcher that had 1 at bat all year? BULL Shite is right.

I love Beth and I love the Tigers but I agree the staff has bungled personnel this season.

Maybe once this year we have had our best 9 hitters in the line up at the same time. That's on the coaches, not the players.

It doesn't matter how many times I am proven right you just like to argue with me. The vortex, remember?
Posted by Bhs83
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:50 pm to
So Sanchez is out at third probably. Why not put Nicky on third? If her arm is strong enough why limit her to second base?
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:51 pm to
Even though I like Sanchez, Doyle or Jaquish needs to start at 3rd.
Posted by Mulerider
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:53 pm to
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Doyle or Jaquish needs to start at 3rd.


100% agree.
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:53 pm to
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It doesn't matter how many times I am proven right you just like to argue with me

Because you continuously move the goalposts so there's no end to your complaining. You'll say bench some for performance but want Doyle and Springfield in the lineup. Since we have really no one hitting consistently playing whatever different combination you come up with after every game won't be a cure-all any more than playing Nikki Dawson was.
Posted by Bhs83
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:54 pm to
Well if Nicky has the arm for it why cant she do something other than second base?
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:54 pm to
Doyle needs to start at 3B
Springfield at 1B
Dawson at DH

Jaquish also needs to receive breaks from catching, its way too much on her legs catching 50 games in a short period of time

Everyone needs to stop bitching about the batting order.

I don't know what more you can do at this point, you can't change the order this much its not going to work. We have problems that go way beyond batting order.

I know Springfield is has like 2 hits in sec play but at this point, no one else looks that great hitting, she will hit something eventually.

We need a complete overhaul in our offensive approach, this isn't a matter of waiting for experience, it more than that we got much deeper problems that continue to plague these players.
This post was edited on 4/15/17 at 10:57 pm
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:58 pm to
She's a great athlete she probably can but I said Doyle because she looked good playing there the other day.
Posted by Bhs83
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 11:02 pm to
Doyle looks great at third
Posted by LSUAshlyn
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 11:05 pm to
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Because you continuously move the goalposts


Give me an example?

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You'll say bench some for performance but want Doyle and Springfield in the lineup.


Read this slowly, when every player is struggling you default to the youngest player with the highest upside. This is coaching 101 and 45 games in to the year we still are not doing it. If Gorsuch is an option why did it take 45 games to figure it out? Because she never has been until today. Can you see the problem with that mentality?

If you have a senior or junior vs a freshman and they are somewhat equal in production you do not waste time on the upper classmen, Coaching 102. You build for the future so that 45 games into the year you know what you have to work with and you build experience for coming seasons.

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every game won't be a cure-all any more than playing Nikki Dawson was.


Nicky has outproduced every other DP that she has rotated with and she meets the above criteria. Young with high ceiling for growth. We have no idea what she is capable of since she is never put in the lineup for consecutive games.

Again, when in doubt play the youngest player with the most upside.
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 11:30 pm to
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Give me an example?

From last week:
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These line ups have become a joke. We have four starters hitting below .200 in SEC play.

But coaching 101 tells you Springfield has to be playing even though she's hitting .063 in SEC play.
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Same old tired line up
This was from a game where Doyle and Springfield started by the way.
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Earth to staff: Be creative and make some changes.

You post something similar after every game despite changes being made. Wake me up when we finally attain your lineup Nirvana because so far you've poopoo'd half of all 10,000 available combinations.

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I believe the staff bought in to the notion that she is somehow a great athlete that didn't know how to play or the old "she is not from Cali so she must not be very good" stuff. Perception is sometime reality.

Do you still believe this by the way? It's back from when everyone of your post was Dawson related. Surely Doyle would still be parked at cleanup.
This post was edited on 4/15/17 at 11:35 pm
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 11:39 pm to
Can't wait to see these threads in post season
Posted by Bayou Bum
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 11:41 pm to
So tired of reading this bullshite!

Simple line up

Andrews IF
Landry RF
Doyle 3B
Jaquish C
Quinn 2B
Griggs CF
Serett SS
Springfield 1B
Dawson DP

Now this lineup is only good for about then next 15 games. As I believe and have said many times Andrews and Dawson's success is a small sampling and I am still not sure once the word gets out on them, but for now, they definitely belong in the lineup.

Andrews was needed at leadoff as Griggs is not a lead off hitter. However, since she has moved her average has gone down each game. Her defense is suspect because of Her arm. She covers ground, but is scary as hell when she throws it.

Landry what can you say about a kid that is leading the country in hitting Defense is well above average 2 errors last year and this year

Doyle future star in the making. Let her take her lumps, she will be one of the best hitters to wear the uniform. Signed as a 3rd baseman and everyone you talk to will tell you she is unbelievable over there

Jaquish Like to see her swing more, she seems a little selfish with walks, we need her to swing and strike fear in the other team. Her catching is the best we have. Satchel cannot catch nor can Cunningham, so this is her spot for rest of year

Quinn Has done a great job this year. Emotional leader, has out performed all expectations. Her defensive game is better, but she still gets to first on bunts way too late and the same on dbl play balls she is late getting to second

Griggs Needs to stand and hit. To slow to slap and was horrible lead off. Was told tonight she was one of the best hitters on Jr.USA team, but they said she never slapped. Her defense is above average and has a very accurate arm and quick release 0 errors

Serett her swing is a mess and needs a lot of help. I don't think we have the coaching staff to help her. But she has lightning fast hands. She should be able to hit. Her defense makes her someone that cant come off the field mayne the best defensive SS in the conf.

Springfield This kid has ton of power. However, with the swing she is being taught, she will never ever see her potential. Again, she needs a hitting coach. She plays a very good defensive 1B and she is our best option

Dawson right now she definitely deserves this spot. She plays hard and can make defenses make mistakes. She needs to be at 9 for her speed. However, I still think she is an out when the word gets out on her. However, right now she is proving that she deserves to hit. As for her defense, I just dont know where to put her. She just isn't better than ANYONE on the field defensively.

Sanchez. Average defender and subaverage hitter. Not sure why the staff seems to love this kid

Thornhill. Just not the caliber of talent that needs to play everyday. She is a good bench depth type person that can play multiple positions. Just not a starter in the SEC

Satchel. Another probably nice kid, but another kid like Thornhill. Just doesnt come close to having the talent to play in the SEC

Goursich. I dont think she can pitch at this level. Not the same caliber of a pitcher as Smith,Walljasper,Or Hoover. Hope she can hit.

Thymes,Cunningham,Savoie,and Wienberger. Seeem like happy role players. Can't see anything else with them.

Now go ahead and tell me how off base I am

This post was edited on 4/15/17 at 11:49 pm
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 11:43 pm to
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Nicky has outproduced every other DP that she has rotated with and she meets the above criteria. Young with high ceiling for growth. We have no idea what she is capable of since she is never put in the lineup for consecutive games.


Did you watch the first Ole Miss game when she obviously missed a steal sign when she was on first base and Andrews was batting? Andrews took a full swing and miss, which she never does, and which most LSU batters do when a steal is called, so Nikki could steal 2nd, but Nikki didn't go anywhere. Then, when Nikki did reach 2nd, she didn't tag up and advance to 3rd on Landry's fly ball to left that the left fielder caught in foul territory running away from the play. She easily could have taken 3rd, but she was halfway between the bases on a ball that was clearly foul. No excuse not to tag up.

Seeing that sequence gave me a lot of insight as to why she hasn't been a full time regular starter. Having all the athletic ability in the world doesn't make up for mental mistakes.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
68004 posts
Posted on 4/15/17 at 11:46 pm to
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Sanchez. Average defender and subaverage hitter.


I agree she shouldn't be starting at all right now, but I have watched Sanchez for years. She played internationally, she has a lot more power than people even realize. I watched her play along with Jaquish and both were blasting balls over the fences all summer. I just think her hitting mechanics have completely regressed and have failed her this year.

I think we can all agree on who the 9 players should be. The order is debatable but its not going to matter until the other things get fixed. Springfield really can hit a ball but her mechanics have gone backwards and her swing just won't work at this level.
This post was edited on 4/15/17 at 11:50 pm
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
68004 posts
Posted on 4/15/17 at 11:48 pm to
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Thymes,Cunningham,Savoie,and Wienberger. Seeem like happy role players. Can't see anything else with them.



Cunningham?! Its very concerning that she hasn't seen the field much this year but that would be extremely dissapointing, considering she was a highly touted prospect recruited by all major schools. I don't think thats the case with her though.

Thymes was brought in specifically as a pinch runner, nothing more.

Isn't Savoie a walk on? I wouldn't expect her to play much

Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 11:52 pm to
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Now go ahead and tell me how off base I am

Quite simply if part of your magic bullet is inserting the production of Doyle and Springfield, you probably shouldn't be complaining so much about what plays regularly. That goes for anybody, not just you. It's pretty obvious we're picking among a multitude of bad options right now yet people are acting like we've got Ruth, Gehrig, and Mantle wasting away on the pine.
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 12:25 am
Posted by Bayou Bum
Member since Feb 2017
66 posts
Posted on 4/15/17 at 11:52 pm to
Maybe that explains why she is a 20 year old freshman. Hell she is older than some of our juniors! Could you imagine our junior class only being freshman right now...2 extra years of body and mental maturing. They would be crazy good!
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