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re: So You Don't Know Why Miles Might Want to Start Jefferson?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 4:26 pm to TheDoc
Posted on 11/17/11 at 4:26 pm to TheDoc
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10 INTs and 9 fumbles
So 19 turnovers can be attributed to JJ in 2010
Where are you getting 9 T/Os via fumble for JJ in 2010?
I can recall perhaps 2-3 T/O, but certainlly not 9. Maybe I just blocked them out.
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Posted on 11/17/11 at 4:28 pm to Lonnie4LSU
I covered this one page back. You're correct...
Those numbers aren't right anyway.
I mean lumping fumbles that LSU recovered, that the other team recovered, and Interceptions together is rantarded.
Jefferson had 8 fumbles last season, and he or another LSU player recovered 6 of them. Two resulted in a change of possession, one against McNeese and one against Ark.
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Those numbers aren't right anyway.
I mean lumping fumbles that LSU recovered, that the other team recovered, and Interceptions together is rantarded.
Jefferson had 8 fumbles last season, and he or another LSU player recovered 6 of them. Two resulted in a change of possession, one against McNeese and one against Ark.
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Posted on 11/17/11 at 4:28 pm to just me
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Moreover, LSU runs the ball better when Jefferson is on the field. Not just because he is an effective runner at 4.1 ypc, but also because he is an effective threat to run at the snap even if someone else ends up carrying the ball.
I tried explaining this to the rant earlier in the season when Jefferson came back.
They didn't want to hear it.
Then the Alabama game happened...
Posted on 11/17/11 at 4:29 pm to BayouBengals03
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I tried explaining this to the rant earlier in the season when Jefferson came back.
They didn't want to hear it.
You should know what you are dealing with trying to explain facts to the Rant.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 4:31 pm to Adam Banks
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TheDoc has a want to remain in the dark about the skills that Jefferson brings to the table. Why that is people can only guess. Facts can be brought to the table and he continues to hate. Backing Lee on Lees merits is fine but to continually to insist that JJ is a bad qb despite evidence to the contrary is disappointing.
What's funny about Doc is his complete 180 on this very topic. He used to love him some JJ and fricking loathed Lee. My how things change.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 4:37 pm to Adam Banks
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JJ had a very bad start to the season last year. Lee bailed him out against UT. There isnt any arguing that. Both had decent games against UF. Both were bad against Auburn Lee got hurt. Things started clicking for JJ from bama on. Lee has been great this year. JJ looks good too. It is ok to admit that both have looked solid.
Look at the UF stats again. Lee had great numbers for that game, Jefferson's were ok but there was a reason Lee played so much at Fla. At least one of Jefferson's (2 rushing) TDs came after Lee drove them down inside the 10. (I don't remember the other TD so I can't comment on it)
Posted on 11/17/11 at 4:38 pm to Hot Carl
Maybe he finally understood why JL is a better QB.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 4:43 pm to Topwater Trout
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JJ started once and we scored 42 pts.
I learned in Statistics 101 that you needed three sample points to indicate a trend.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 4:45 pm to crazyLSUfan
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I learned in Statistics 101 that you needed three sample points to indicate a trend.
So Jefferson should start the next two games before we can be sure right?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 4:45 pm to Dupont3
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Maybe he finally understood why JL is a better QB.
If he thinks that then thats fine. Back Lee on his own merits but going so far as to make up turnover statistics against JJ is indicative of someone who just cant let go and look at an individual player objectively.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 4:52 pm to deSandman
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Jefferson had 8 fumbles last season, and he or another LSU player recovered 6 of them.
Gosh, who equates a recovered fumble to a T/O???
I'll never understand the hard some seem to have on for our own.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 4:53 pm to Topwater Trout
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JJ started once and we scored 42 pts. Isn't that above our season average? Your statement is not a FACT.
To be fair, that was against Western Kentucky.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 4:53 pm to Adam Banks
Personally, I'm gonna go based on the results and what the offense has looked like.
Much of the game last weekend our offense looked lost at times, got the ball off with only a couple seconds to spare, had easy TDs if JJ just releases the ball a couple seconds earlier and trusts his very good receivers. Though not to the extent of the last couple years, those are trends we did see with Crowton.
The entire season prior to Bama, I did not see that with Lee running the offense. To me it has been apparent for over a year now that the offense runs considerably better with Lee taking about 60-70% of the snaps and JJ coming in situationally.
I'm not saying either one is spectacular. I'm not saying either one is bad. We needed JJ to beat Bama, no doubt about it. But I thought completely giving up on Lee in that game after all he's done for us not only this season, but in the past was questionable. JJ as the starter going forward is something that based on this years results, he simply has not earned. Lee has been great all season long and didn't do enough to lose the job. I personally feel more comfortable and confident with Lee as starter.
Much of the game last weekend our offense looked lost at times, got the ball off with only a couple seconds to spare, had easy TDs if JJ just releases the ball a couple seconds earlier and trusts his very good receivers. Though not to the extent of the last couple years, those are trends we did see with Crowton.
The entire season prior to Bama, I did not see that with Lee running the offense. To me it has been apparent for over a year now that the offense runs considerably better with Lee taking about 60-70% of the snaps and JJ coming in situationally.
I'm not saying either one is spectacular. I'm not saying either one is bad. We needed JJ to beat Bama, no doubt about it. But I thought completely giving up on Lee in that game after all he's done for us not only this season, but in the past was questionable. JJ as the starter going forward is something that based on this years results, he simply has not earned. Lee has been great all season long and didn't do enough to lose the job. I personally feel more comfortable and confident with Lee as starter.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 5:02 pm to Starchild
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Personally, I'm gonna go based on the results and what the offense has looked like.
Much of the game last weekend our offense looked lost at times, got the ball off with only a couple seconds to spare, had easy TDs if JJ just releases the ball a couple seconds earlier and trusts his very good receivers. Though not to the extent of the last couple years, those are trends we did see with Crowton.
The entire season prior to Bama, I did not see that with Lee running the offense. To me it has been apparent for over a year now that the offense runs considerably better with Lee taking about 60-70% of the snaps and JJ coming in situationally.
I'm not saying either one is spectacular. I'm not saying either one is bad. We needed JJ to beat Bama, no doubt about it. But I thought completely giving up on Lee in that game after all he's done for us not only this season, but in the past was questionable. JJ as the starter going forward is something that based on this years results, he simply has not earned. Lee has been great all season long and didn't do enough to lose the job. I personally feel more comfortable and confident with Lee as starter.
I agree with some of what you said. I think Lee should start because of his faster release especially off play action. However I dont think JJ is completely inept throwing the ball and has earned the right with his solid play to throw it more when he does come in. What I dont agree with and I think you are seeing what you want to see is when you say the offense "looked lost" I believe we had our highest number of yards this season last week. Something I dont think you cant say about a "lost" offense. I dont think we had a delay of game I dont remember any illegal motions/formations etc.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 5:08 pm to Starchild
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got the ball off with only a couple seconds to spare,
Is this a bad thing or something?
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easy TDs if JJ just releases the ball a couple seconds earlier and trusts his very good receivers
Like the pass to Shep? Can Shep even be considered a very good receiver?
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The entire season prior to Bama, I did not see that with Lee running the offense.
Then you weren't looking. Lee had some great throws and some terrible throws. There were times the offense didn't perfrom well. Do people forget the 1st half of the Kentucky game where we punted 6 times?
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But I thought completely giving up on Lee in that game after all he's done for us not only this season, but in the past was questionable.
For his career Lee has 1 td and 7 ints against Bama with a completion % around 40%. Why on earth would the coaches go back to that after he threw back to back ints?
This post was edited on 11/17/11 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 11/17/11 at 5:15 pm to ZTiger87
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Then you weren't looking. Lee had some great throws and some terrible throws. There were times the offense didn't perfrom well. Do people forget the 1st half of the Kentucky game where we punted 6 times?
First half of games only:
Four 3-and-outs and another drive with <20 yards and <6 plays aginst Kentucky.
Two aginst Oregon.
Two against NW State
Three against WV.
One against UF.
Four against Tenn.
Two against Auburn.
Nineteen first half drives that have just completely disappeared from the minds of a large chunk of the LSU fan base. Lee's averaging a little over one bad drive per quarter in the first half over the whole season.
But Jefferson has one against WK and he's ruined the offense.
This post was edited on 11/17/11 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 11/17/11 at 5:21 pm to Bobby Moore
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So where will JJ go in the NFL draft?
You would be suprised how many teams are actually interested in drafting him somewhere. Arm Strength and Speed will at least get him drafted and if he ends up having a good season it will show that he can be coached. I heard Crowton let them do whatever they wanted during practice after they threw routes...what a f'n waste of 3 years.
This post was edited on 11/17/11 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 11/17/11 at 5:26 pm to Adam Banks
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I agree with some of what you said. I think Lee should start because of his faster release especially off play action. However I dont think JJ is completely inept throwing the ball and has earned the right with his solid play to throw it more when he does come in. What I dont agree with and I think you are seeing what you want to see is when you say the offense "looked lost" I believe we had our highest number of yards this season last week. Something I dont think you cant say about a "lost" offense. I dont think we had a delay of game I dont remember any illegal motions/formations etc.
Yea, we looked good from about midway through the 3rd quarter on. What about before that? We looked like shite for the first half against a team that had no business on the field with us. We have totally destroyed some pretty good teams this year. Aside from Bama, first half of the Oregon game, and the 3rd quarter of WVU, games have not even been close. Against much better competition mind you. Now of course I think most of us were expecting a sluggish start after coming off the high of beating Bama, but not to the extent we saw.
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Is this a bad thing or something?
When it's gotten us about 1,000 delay of game penalties in the past yes. Lee generally gets the ball off with around 8-10 seconds left which I think is a bit better.
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Like the pass to Shep? Can Shep even be considered a very good receiver?
You can't even begin to deny JJ gets the ball off late
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Then you weren't looking. Lee had some great throws and some terrible throws. There were times the offense didn't perfrom well. Do people forget the 1st half of the Kentucky game where we punted 6 times?
Fair enough, but there's no doubting that was the most consistently good QB play we've seen since Flynn.
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For his career Lee has 1 td and 7 ints against Bama with a completion % around 40%. Why on earth would the coaches go back to that after he threw back to back ints?
After the first one I was referring to. He made one of the only big mistakes he's made all year and was immediately taken out for half the game in which he thought about it. Then he came back in and tried to force something. Bad decision on his part, but the total lack of confidence that was shown in him was a bit perplexing considering how well he's played this year.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 5:36 pm to Starchild
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When it's gotten us about 1,000 delay of game penalties in the past yes.
No, what we had problems with was getting the play called late and breaking the huddle with little time left on the play clock. Getting the ball snapped with a few seconds left on the clock is fine.
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You can't even begin to deny JJ gets the ball off late
You were talking about the WKU game. There was 1 play that this was a problem.
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Fair enough, but there's no doubting that was the most consistently good QB play we've seen since Flynn.
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Fair enough, but there's no doubting that was the most consistently good QB play we've seen since Flynn.
No doubt.
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but the total lack of confidence that was shown in him was a bit perplexing considering how well he's played this year.
He sat for 3 possesions. Then the coaches gave him a shot and he messed it up on the 1st play. Why would the coaches go back to it given his history vs. Bama, the way he he was playing in the game and the way JJ was playing?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 5:36 pm to Adam Banks
I agree, but he did fumble those balls. We may have gotten them back. But he did fumble. Les has benched running backs that fumble, why does JJ get different treatment?
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