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re: So if LSU has a great year this year...
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:41 am to King Joey
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:41 am to King Joey
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But I will never say or think he is better or as good as Nick.
And that sums up the essence of irrational, biased and unobjective thinking that makes this board as depressing and boring as it gets. People like you have already made the emotional commitment to being right about Miles sucking as a coach, and now view any suggestion or evidence to the contrary as a personal threat to their worth and value as a person
Just because someone thinks Nick Saban is a better coach(because he is), doesn't make that an attack on Miles and his coaching abilities.
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Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:44 am to Lacour
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Les could win the NC next year and the year after and then finish in the top 5 for 10 straight years and I still wouldn't say he was a better coach than Nick Saban.
Here's a napkin, wipe that shite off your chin!
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:16 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:No, he doesn't "think" that. He says that nothing could ever convince him that Miles is as good as Saban no matter what. If Miles wins 6 more National Championships over the next 10 years, and Saban has three straight losing seasons and gets fired, he will still not believe that Miles is as good a coach as Saban. Does that sound like a reasonable "thought"? Of course not.
He thinks Miles wouldn't be as good as Saban, that doesn't mean he thinks Miles would SUCK. (your words)
I am not saying that he is forever committed to insisting that Miles sucks, only that he is emotionally invested in that conclusion that he drew at some point in the past. In this case, it is sated by the blindly negative comparison to Saban; as long as he can believe Saban is better, than he can feel (act) like he wasn't really wrong about Miles. And, as a result, he has committed himself to ignoring all evidence or reality and blindly adhering to that defense.
To be fair, it is possible that he was simply so enthralled with Saban that his irrational emotional state set in with Saban's departure. However, my observations have been that far more people developed that kind of blind devotion to Saban after concluding that Miles "sucks."
quote:No, actually you should just read what I post and take if for only the words I use. Like in the other thread, when I simply stated that there were people complaining about Miles on the Rant after the '07 Championship, and you responded for pages as if I had claimed it was the majority of the Rant.
We should crown you King of the Strawmen, not King Joey.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:20 am to Lloyd Christmas
quote:Again, not the case here at all. This has nothing to do with thinking. He has plainly stated that no amount of evidence or reality could ever dissuade him from his conviction that Saban is better. That is about as far from thought as you can get.
Just because someone thinks Nick Saban is a better coach(because he is),
quote:It clearly reflects a wildly irrational emotional attachment to one part of the Saban>Miles equation. Either he is that emotionally invested in thinking badly of Miles or that emotionally invested in thinking highly of Saban. In this context, I feel the emotional investment in thinking ill of Miles is the more likely.
doesn't make that an attack on Miles and his coaching abilities.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:31 am to King Joey
Don't talk about me like I'm not here.
LES MILES WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD A COACH AS NICK SABAN! PERIOD. END OF SENTENCE, PARAGRAPH, BOOK, -30-
Is that clear enough?
LES MILES WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD A COACH AS NICK SABAN! PERIOD. END OF SENTENCE, PARAGRAPH, BOOK, -30-
Is that clear enough?
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:31 am to lsu1208
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If they do, then they'll have to admit that Les Miles is really a good coach but was just surrounded by the wrong staff
Who surrounded him with that staff?
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:34 am to Lacour
quote:I'm not. I responded to your last post, and I'll respond to this one.
Don't talk about me like I'm not here.
Is your irrational attachment to that belief despite any reality to the contrary a consequence of your emotional attachment to thinking ill of Miles, or to thinking well of Saban?
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:38 am to King Joey
I think Saban has a program and is much better organized than Miles, to this point. Thats not saying that Miles isn't a good coach, but Saban can make changes and get things going his way very quickly, they are totally different football coaches. Miles just hasn't developed patterns of consistency here This year is kinda the proverbial tipping point to see if the last two years were a building/learning period and Miles has put it back together.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:49 am to King Joey
I love Nick Saban.
That is all.
That is all.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:58 am to Lacour
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Les could win the NC next year and the year after and then finish in the top 5 for 10 straight years and I still wouldn't say he was a better coach than Nick Saban.
Wouldn't want to fire him any longer. But I will never say or think he is better or as good as Nick.
This is why you can't argure with these frikin idiots. Even if Miles does better than Nick for the next 10 years they will still say Nick is better. Very logical thinkers on here.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 11:36 am to Lacour
quote:Okay, apparently I guessed wrong. Mea culpa, and my apologies.
I love Nick Saban.
Still an excellent illustration of the irrationality that drags down this board, imo.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:00 pm to Lacour
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I love Nick Saban.
That is all.
the posi-tigers will never be happy until you admit that Saban sucks as a coach and at life, and Saban is a horrible, evil person, who rapes grandmothers, babies, puppies and bunnies.
Then kneel down and pledge your loyalty towards the benevolent Les Miles, who is the best coach in the history of the world, and a better person than Jesus
Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:02 pm to lsu1208
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will everyone on here be saying things like "thank God Miles made those coaching changes in the offseason" and basically saying that the success will be because of the new coaches? If they do, then they'll have to admit that Les Miles is really a good coach but was just surrounded by the wrong staff... Just something I thought about.
I can promise you, I will!
(We are talking two losses or less)
Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:02 pm to King Joey
quote:He also said, which you conveniently leave out this part to further your own point of view, is that he would FULLY support Miles as our coach if he were to go on and win for 10 years. That doesn't sound like an "emotional investment" to me.
No, he doesn't "think" that. He says that nothing could ever convince him that Miles is as good as Saban no matter what. If Miles wins 6 more National Championships over the next 10 years, and Saban has three straight losing seasons and gets fired, he will still not believe that Miles is as good a coach as Saban. Does that sound like a reasonable "thought"? Of course not.
You have to wonder why it bothers you so much that he thinks Saban is a better coach (which he is). After all, it's just his opinion and he's entitled to it.
Why are you so emotionally invested in Les Miles?
Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:04 pm to Lloyd Christmas
quote:Admittedly, Saban really isn't that good of a person. He's a grouch, he's arrogant, he's a short little prick, and he's at Bama (lol). But he's a damn good coach.
the posi-tigers will never be happy until you admit that Saban sucks as a coach and at life, and Saban is a horrible, evil person, who rapes grandmothers, babies, puppies and bunnies.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:06 pm to Lloyd Christmas
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the posi-tigers will never be happy until you admit that Saban sucks as a coach and at life, and Saban is a horrible, evil person, who rapes grandmothers, babies, puppies and bunnies.
Then kneel down and pledge your loyalty towards the benevolent Les Miles, who is the best coach in the history of the world, and a better person than Jesus
talk about a straw-man
Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:09 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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Admittedly, Saban really isn't that good of a person. He's a grouch, he's arrogant, he's a short little prick, and he's at Bama (lol). But he's a damn good coach.
i just think its funny that posi-tigers accuse people who think Saban did a good job here of an irrational emotional attachment to Saban, when they defiantly defend Miles the same way or more so
Saban did a great job here, Miles has accomplished some things and I hope he turns it around, but I want to see it happen before I put him anywhere near Saban level
Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:10 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
Back to the original intent of the thread, it will be interesting to see what happens if LSU has a successful season this year(say 10-2, SECCG appearance). Miles has taken the full brunt of the criticism for the failures of the last 2 years, and rightfully so. He's the head coach, he makes 4 million, it all falls on him.
I'll be curious to see, however, if those who are his biggest critics would give him any credit for a turnaround, or just resort to changing around the arguments. If we hear a lot of "Well Miles finally let the coaches coach" and "The players stopped listening to him and did things their way" then we'll know there's a segment of the posters on here at least that will never give Les any credit, and that's just the way it is.
I'll be curious to see, however, if those who are his biggest critics would give him any credit for a turnaround, or just resort to changing around the arguments. If we hear a lot of "Well Miles finally let the coaches coach" and "The players stopped listening to him and did things their way" then we'll know there's a segment of the posters on here at least that will never give Les any credit, and that's just the way it is.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:13 pm to OldManRiver
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I'll be curious to see, however, if those who are his biggest critics would give him any credit for a turnaround, or just resort to changing around the arguments
Why would you give him credit? 10-2 or better is what he is paid $4 million for. It is his job to go at least 10-2.
That is like giving a waiter credit for getting your order right after getting it wrong two times before.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:14 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:I just went back over the thread and still haven't seen where he said that ("not want him fired" and "prove me wrong about him being a "bad" coach" were as close as I saw; neither of which said he would "FULLY support" him). Besides, I already admitted I was wrong about his irrationality. He isn't irrationally anti-Miles, he is simply irrationally pro-Saban.
He also said, which you conveniently leave out this part to further your own point of view, is that he would FULLY support Miles as our coach if he were to go on and win for 10 years.
quote:First of all, again, he does not "think" this. He has clearly and repeatedly conceded that there is absolutely no thought involved; he is simply incapable of forming any other sentiment regarding the situation. Secondly, it doesn't bother me at all that he believes that. And it doesn't even really bother me that he and others like him post ad nauseum about it on the Rant. It just makes the Rant a boring and annoying place (which is why, until recently, I basically never visited the board for a few months).
You have to wonder why it bothers you so much that he thinks Saban is a better coach (which he is).
quote:Huh?
Why are you so emotionally invested in Les Miles?
Uh, because he's the head coach of the team I've loved since birth. (is this a trick question?)
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