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re: Slo and other negatigers. What's the solution

Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:18 pm to
Posted by Sammich
Member since Apr 2004
9375 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:18 pm to
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The people who think Miles is a better coach than Saban are insecure as LSU fans and they're still in outward denial

Or they simply disagree with your theory, and don't want to drink the ESPN style Kool-Aid you're peddling.
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If anyone thinks that any other decent coach couldn't have done or outdone what Miles did is even more in denial.

Saban would Never go for it 5 times on 4th Down, period.
Posted by Dallasgrowl
Allen, Texas
Member since Oct 2003
7078 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:21 pm to
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Yeah, I miss the 07 offseason where we are telling VT how we're going to kickass. Now we got guys saying we suck and LSU fans rush to support them.


Absolutely! At this point in the late spring, UNC should be shaking at the thought of opening against the Tigers, but unfortunately they are probably more worried about tripping on the turf as they enter the stadium.

I don't believe there is a single LSU fan posting on this board that does not want that unified feeling again. I am looking for some leadership to get us there! However, I just don't have faith that it will come through the current head coach. You can not possibly understand how much I want to be wrong!!!
Posted by Sammich
Member since Apr 2004
9375 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:25 pm to
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Yeah, I miss the 07 offseason where we are telling VT how we're going to kickass. Now we got guys saying we suck and LSU fans rush to support them.


Yep, It's sad. These people believe everything they hear or read as fact. Look at 'ol Picses..he should get a job cleaning the seats off for the Bama Fans so they can enjoy the "Performance Art" they are about to witness.

Fricking pathetic.
This post was edited on 6/8/10 at 10:28 pm
Posted by StatMaster
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
4427 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:51 pm to
I wasn't a big Miles fan when he was hired (especially after his Oklahoma St. team lost by 30 points to a mediocre Ohio St. team in the Alamo bowl in '04), but he was our coach so I was willing to give him a shot. I thought that the job Miles did as coach in '05 and '06 was good, but not great. I will always think that the '06 team should've played for a NC and that a horrible gameplan and bad refs in Auburn cost us that game and a shot at a rematch with Florida in the SEC championship game. In '07, Miles won a NC but he did so in a way that had not been done in recent history...by losing 2 games. I think that some, including myself, think that he got unbelievably lucky to have a chance to play for the NC that year after the Arkansas game, much less win it.

As for '08-'09, RP had a lot to do with those bad years, but so does not replacing Pelini with a proven commodity (that one's on Miles). So, I see this year as a make or break year for Miles. If he can win 9 or more games, he can temporarily quiet some of his critics, esp if he can bring in a big recruiting class. But if he wins 8 or less, he's headed out the door if not this year, than definitely next year barring a championship. So my solution is to give the man this year to right the ship, and if not, throw money (Miles' current salary would be just fine to attract a lot of very good coaches' attentions) at another coach and let him come in and clean up the mess.

P.S. As long as Saban's having undefeated seasons over at Bama, LSU fans will continue to bitch about LSU being viewed as a 2nd tier program.
This post was edited on 6/8/10 at 10:55 pm
Posted by Terry the Tiger
Cypress, Texas
Member since Jul 2009
3494 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 11:06 pm to
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1-8 vs. The top 25 the last 2 years, a real winning tradition. What are sabans and meyer's records? They have 2 nc's between the 2.


Saban and Meyer are arguably the best two coaches in the nation. Neither coaches at LSU, and LSU will not be able to hire anyone in the next two seasons near the caliber of these two coaches. It is going to be difficult for anyone to beat their two teams routinely. Unfortunately for LSU, we have to play both every year.

Firing Miles following this season or the next would be a huge mistake. What ooach in his right mind would want to come to LSU knowing that his predecessor was fired 3 years after a BCS Championship? Who would come here knowing that if they don't beat Saban and Meyer every season, they will likely be fired?

Is Miles the best coach in the nation? No. Could LSU do worse? Yes Do you have faith that the AD or Board of Supervisors would hire a better coach? Not at all.

I don't know what the answer is, but I know what it is not.
Posted by Dennis4LSU
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Sep 2008
4481 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 11:06 pm to
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Yep, It's sad. These people believe everything they hear or read as fact. Look at 'ol Picses..he should get a job cleaning the seats off for the Bama Fans so they can enjoy the "Performance Art" they are about to witness.

Fricking pathetic
In the last two years who has LSU beat that was actually worth a shite. Miles got lucky last year with a schedule full of rent a wins. Hell he almost found a way to lose a few of those.
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8154 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 11:07 pm to
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Yeah, I miss the 07 offseason where we are telling VT how we're going to kickass. Now we got guys saying we suck and LSU fans rush to support them.


You guys must have been over on the Rivals board or something, as I recall it was about 50/50 with half of the fans shaking in their boots about a bud foster defense, an inexperienced Matt Flynn, and wondering how our defense could possibly defend against Sean Glennon.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 11:49 pm to
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Look at 'ol Picses..he should get a job cleaning the seats off for the Bama Fans so they can enjoy the "Performance Art" they are about to witness.


Better than that job you have of cleaning sperm off of the windows in the Peep Shows at the local "vieo store".

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Fricking pathetic


As is your inability to logically be able to criticize your own team. Wait...you get your degree from LSU or is that you on that ITT commercial where you're pitching in that slow pitch baseball league and your wife said, "YOu have made some really good choices."
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
19264 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:56 am to
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In the last two years who has LSU beat that was actually worth a shite. Miles got lucky last year with a schedule full of rent a wins. Hell he almost found a way to lose a few of those.


Great contribution to the solution. We all know rantards can repeat stuff like this they hear. How about an original thought?

So, would you fire him? If so what then? It's really not hard to sit back and bitch all the time, everyone makes mistakes. What's hard is saying where we go from here.
Posted by TGFN57
Telluride
Member since Jan 2010
6975 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 7:17 am to
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As for '08-'09, RP had a lot to do with those bad years, but so does not replacing Pelini with a proven commodity (that one's on Miles)


Care to let us all know which "proven commodity" was available? AND wanted to come to LSU?
Posted by TGFN57
Telluride
Member since Jan 2010
6975 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 7:23 am to
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Them the stars went beyond perfect as Mizzou and WVU choked. We backed into a NC game a week after all but eliminating ourselves.


Man, 2 teams choke for us to back in. Sounds just like 2003 when ND and Hawaii choked for us to back into, oh, sorry, I mean go to the NC game. Gee, sorry, didn't mean to rain on your parade with facts.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60027 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 7:57 am to
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Man, 2 teams choke for us to back in. Sounds just like 2003 when ND and Hawaii choked for us to back into, oh, sorry, I mean go to the NC game. Gee, sorry, didn't mean to rain on your parade with facts.


Lots of teams have needed help to get into a NC game in college football. Spurrier for example, (wouldn't even have his title if the BCS was in place then) needed Texas to upset Nebraska in the Big 12 CG and tOSU to beat ASU in the Rose Bowl. However, your comparison is another example of how Miles supporters miss the point and don't take context into consideration just so they can lash out and say see, Saban was'nt as good or whatever. Had Hawaii and ND both won it is probable that USC would have edged LSU in SOS and stayed #2 in the BCS and played OU for the title. Both, howevah, were underdogs, ie both expected to lose. ND was at SU, both were mediocre. Hawaii had a winning record, but Boise was 11-1, and a 20+ point favorite on the road. Mizzo and WVU were ranked #1 and #2. While Mizzo was a slight dog againt OU, who had beaten them earlier, WVU was a 20 + point favorite at home to beat a crappy 3-8 Pitt team. In short in 03 we needed a huge favorite to win on the road, in 07 we needed a huge underdog to win on the road, against a team playing for a NC.
This post was edited on 6/9/10 at 7:58 am
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60027 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 8:01 am to
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Care to let us all know which "proven commodity" was available? AND wanted to come to LSU?


In 2004 after Carl Reese retired, Mack Brown hire Czick from Auburn. If LSU offers top dollar, like we paid Bo P and are paying The Chief and the "Wizard", we can get a hell of a lot better than Malleveto.

Posted by Jack Burton
Little China
Member since Jun 2008
2871 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 8:04 am to


I'm not 100% sure who was available, but I'd suspect that there were at least a couple of experienced DC's who would have listened to offers from the National Champions.

I appreciate that Miles wanted to promote from within, but momentum is a huge thing in sports, especially college sports where your time in the spotlight (and what you do with it) determines how long you get to stay there. Following a MNC with sub-par year is not unheard of, but considering that LSU has (at least for the last decade) hung its hat on Defense, that is an area that should be high priority and not staffed by co-DC's who have never held that position before.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60027 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 8:16 am to
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Or they simply disagree with your theory, and don't want to drink the ESPN style Kool-Aid you're peddling.


theory, its a theory or propganda that Saban is a better coach? Really? The only coach to win a NC at 2 schools is not as good as the only coach to win a NC with 2 losses because 51 > 48?
Posted by Dennis4LSU
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Sep 2008
4481 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 8:48 am to
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Great contribution to the solution. We all know rantards can repeat stuff like this they hear. How about an original thought?

So, would you fire him? If so what then? It's really not hard to sit back and bitch all the time, everyone makes mistakes. What's hard is saying where we go from here.
What then? Rantard? I assure you for 3.8 Million a year LSU can find a coach that can find a way to beat Urban Meyer, Nick Saban and Even Houston Nutt. Its not rocket science.

If Miles is so great why is Crowton still the OC even though LSU last year #112 in offense.

Maybe I don't have a solution, but I know LES MILES is not the answer and Its not hard repeating facts instead of ignoring them
Posted by TGFN57
Telluride
Member since Jan 2010
6975 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 9:18 am to
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Had Hawaii and ND both won it is probable that USC would have edged LSU in SOS and stayed #2 in the BCS and played OU for the title. Both, howevah, were underdogs, ie both expected to lose. ND was at SU, both were mediocre. Hawaii had a winning reco


Slice it any way you want to kid. If LSU "backed in" in 07 they backed in in 03 too. You can scream to the heavens that it was "different in 03" all you want to. It wont make it fact.
Posted by TGFN57
Telluride
Member since Jan 2010
6975 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 9:19 am to
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In 2004 after Carl Reese retired, Mack Brown hire Czick from Auburn. If LSU offers top dollar, like we paid Bo P and are paying The Chief and the "Wizard", we can get a hell of a lot better than Malleveto.


Could you answer the question? I mean, all this is amusing history, but. You didn't answer my question.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60027 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 10:20 am to
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Slice it any way you want to kid


thanks! I graduated from LSU in 1992.

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If LSU "backed in" in 07 they backed in in 03 too. You can scream to the heavens that it was "different in 03" all you want to. It wont make it fact.


you can think 2 mediocre underdogs losing that probably help 1 element of a formula is the same as the #1 and #2 teams losing, buts it not. It is widely assumed that Hawaii losing pushed LSU in, but that is not a proven fact. There is, however, no question that if #2, 10-1 WVU beats 3-8 Pitt at home, they move to #1 and play Ohio State. The situations are not the same. That said, plenty of teams/coaches have needed help to get to the title game. If Lousiville beats Rutgers or USC beats UCLA in 06, Florida and Urban Meyer don't get a title. In 08, if 2 out of USC, Texas and Penn State win close games over OSU, TT and Iowa, Florida is out, it happens, I don't hold it against Les.
This post was edited on 6/9/10 at 10:25 am
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60027 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 10:24 am to
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Could you answer the question? I mean, all this is amusing history, but. You didn't answer my question.


I do not have a list handy of DC that were either available or would have been willing to change jobs from 2 years ago sorry. It is also not my job. We did inview several outside candidates, to think the only or best option was Mallory and Peveto is selling the program way short and you accuse others of being a "negatiger"
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