re: Should a 5th Year Senior QB Be Handled With Kid Gloves

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just me

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great post!

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Isn't it simply amazing what happens when you use your running game to set up plays in the passing game?

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Yes. Yes, it is.

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For one, LSU's offense consistently getting a short field decreases the potential yardage the QB can get.

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maybe potential yardage... but it wouldn't affect yards per attempt all that much... except for TD throws.

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This year's average starting position - LSU 31.4 yard line

Last year's average starting position - LSU 36.7 yard line.

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Huh...that's actually shocking to me, as I'd have bet my house that we had a MUCH better average starting field position in 2011 than we did in 2010. Wing's ability to drop it inside the 10 coupled with our D following those up with stops have seemingly led to lots of drives starting at mid field...or so it seemed.

We have had at least two drives start at our own one or two this season...not sure if that is skewing the average a bit, but this stat is surprising. Nice job pulling that up.

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I disagree and have been clear about this. I think the biggest reason for the lack of futility on offense is the change in OC. Not because Krags and Stud are doing something phenomenal...but because they are simply on the same basic page as Miles. There just isn't the confusion REGARDLESS of who is in when we're on offense now. Look at something as simple as when the QB gets the play in from the sidelines...it's night and day different. Our offense is FAR simpler this year, utilizing a power run game with a sprinkling of play action pass. It looks nothing like it did in 2010. I just think continuing to compare EITHER guy to their past selevs given the whole sale changes to the offense does a disservice to both guys.

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I would agree that plays a part but I would argue the I formation play action sets mostly run for Lee have been more effective than the spread JJ formations though I would agree in limited action JJ has thrown the ball better but due to his windup and propensity to wait until the receiver is open before throwing I think that limits what pass plays can be called therefore limiting the passing offense.

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This brings up that illusive "fairness" issue which I can't take seriously anymore. I can see why this would matter if it was your kid or significant other, but I can't for the life of me figure out why grown arse men seem to care about this. Does this fairness issue bother you in regards to other positions so much so that it becomes a season long debate? I don't think it does.

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I can understand where your coming from but I believe when fans see one set of rules or perceive one set of rules for one player and a different set for another player then that does upset many. For example if your argument is Lee's 2 INT's is the reason he was benched and loose his starting job I would point to JJ's interceptions and fumbles last year and ask why JJ was not benched if that is the standard. Or his safety and fumble against WKU. Granted he did recover his fumble but Ford recovered his fumble against UK but still had his playing time curtailed and Lee certainly had less turnovers to this point than JJ had thru 10 games last year.

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You'll be hard pressed to find a bigger Rohan fan than myself, but given that Booty ended up being the 1st Team All SEC QB in 2000 it's hard to argue with what Little Napoleon did there. Had Ro not busted his knee up playing ball in the offseason he likely would have taken the job from Booty in fall camp and it wouldn't have been an issue. And as much as I loved Ro, I never pined for his lost PT.

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If you remember correctly after the UAB game Ro was named starter for the Tenn game and had probably one of the best offensive performances I have seen by a major underdog vs a top 10 team. Ro injured his ankle near the end of that game and reinjured it more severly the next week versus Florida and did not come in again until the 2nd half of the Ga Tech peach bowl game. If you compare them Ro was much more effective and while Booty may have been All-SEC I think it is hard to argue the offense would have been much better had Rohan been returned to the lineup when healthy.

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To some who feel as though he needed to flog himself to off set him playing instead of Lee. I'm not in that camp. I never felt he owed my a pound of flesh for not having a great individual game and LSU still winning games.

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I agree I dont believe he needs to flog himself but claiming he played well when he obviously hadnt or putting the team on his back when he had performed adequately does not sound much like a self aware team player and you can argue but obviously the majority do not see him as someone they have confidence in. As in many of the games won with JJ as a starter if anyone put the team on their backs during the Bama game it was the D and the special teams and for JJ to make that statement and take that credit obviously rubs many the wrong way and is seen as a disingenous attempt to take credit for more than he really did.

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My only issue with this senior day thing is that when Lee is cheered more loudly, it will undoubtedly come off like it did when he entered the game in the fourth quarter on Saturday. Not JUST as a positive cheer for a fan favorite, but as a loud and clear frick YOU to both Miles and especially another LSU player. I had several guys that acted this way near me...the loudest noise they made the WHOLE GAME was the frantically cheer Lee when he came and they made it clear as to why. That's all

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I agree their will probably be a contingent who do that but also a contingent probably in my opinion more who cheer because it is Lee's last game and they appreciate the way he has handled his situation with class and want to express gratitude to him.

Unfortunately the majority do not view Jefferson in the same light and a large part of that is his own doing. The quotes and the incident this year have not endeared him to many. You cannot make people cheer for one player or not cheer for another that is their right as a fan but I do sincerely hope he is not booed.

Sorry for being so long winded!

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Patrick Peterson.

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Yeah...I thought about that after I posted it.

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I would agree that plays a part but I would argue the I formation play action sets mostly run for Lee have been more effective than the spread JJ formations though I would agree in limited action JJ has thrown the ball better but due to his windup and propensity to wait until the receiver is open before throwing I think that limits what pass plays can be called therefore limiting the passing offense.

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I didn't see any changes in what pass plays were called this past Saturday. JJ looked to be running JL's playbook minus the heavy dose of I formation sledgehammer running we've been doing. It was essentially MORE pass happy.

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I can understand where your coming from but I believe when fans see one set of rules or perceive one set of rules for one player and a different set for another player then that does upset many. For example if your argument is Lee's 2 INT's is the reason he was benched and loose his starting job I would point to JJ's interceptions and fumbles last year and ask why JJ was not benched if that is the standard. Or his safety and fumble against WKU. Granted he did recover his fumble but Ford recovered his fumble against UK but still had his playing time curtailed and Lee certainly had less turnovers to this point than JJ had thru 10 games last year.

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Gotta' be honest, I've never once worried about the perception of fairness in this regard. I just haven't.

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If you remember correctly after the UAB game Ro was named starter for the Tenn game and had probably one of the best offensive performances I have seen by a major underdog vs a top 10 team. Ro injured his ankle near the end of that game and reinjured it more severly the next week versus Florida and did not come in again until the 2nd half of the Ga Tech peach bowl game. If you compare them Ro was much more effective and while Booty may have been All-SEC I think it is hard to argue the offense would have been much better had Rohan been returned to the lineup when healthy.

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That's actually not quite accurate. Ro was named starter after the UAB debacle, but he REinjured his knee fairly early on in that game on a long QB scramble. He essentially played hobbled the rest of the game, making it one of the most heroic performances I can remember. But I think you're doing what far too many people do, and that's extrapolating what would have happened in 2000 based on what we know happened (once Saban and Jimbo let go and let his air it out after the Ole Miss loss) in 2001. Saban went with who he thought was the hot hand, and his hand was hot enough to have been All SEC. Not the way I'd have gone, but again...as much as I loved RO, I never once went around crying FOR HIM that he wasn't getting deserved PT of that Saban was disrespecting him.

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I agree I dont believe he needs to flog himself but claiming he played well when he obviously hadnt or putting the team on his back when he had performed adequately does not sound much like a self aware team player and you can argue but obviously the majority do not see him as someone they have confidence in. As in many of the games won with JJ as a starter if anyone put the team on their backs during the Bama game it was the D and the special teams and for JJ to make that statement and take that credit obviously rubs many the wrong way and is seen as a disingenous attempt to take credit for more than he really did.

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Eh...you focus on the part about him putting the team on his back and I focus on what he said just prior to that...and that's that Lee had played a good game. You see him as a poor leader and an egomaniac, and I see tht same interview and see him being magnanimous when even his own fans won;t give him credit for doing so. In the end, JJ's shitty interview and I've never cared much about what he says.

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I agree their will probably be a contingent who do that but also a contingent probably in my opinion more who cheer because it is Lee's last game and they appreciate the way he has handled his situation with class and want to express gratitude to him.

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This may just be a matter of perception, but I disagree.

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Unfortunately the majority do not view Jefferson in the same light and a large part of that is his own doing.

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I really disagree here. Other than playing poorly and not entertaining people well enough, the kid has never done anything to warrent the level of bullshite that's been leveled at him.

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Sorry for being so long winded!

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Dude...I'm the king of Longwided Land!

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I agree their will probably be a contingent who do that but also a contingent probably in my opinion more who cheer because it is Lee's last game and they appreciate the way he has handled his situation with class and want to express gratitude to him

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I just don't get this mindset of making him a hero for staying at LSU. He signed a letter of intent to play football at LSU. When he signed he wasn't guaranteed to be the starter. There are quite a few guys who will graduate this year that stuck it out while not playing at all.

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When he signed he wasn't guaranteed to be the starter.

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You are right.

But there was also a time when he and many LSU football fans realized he should have been the starter... and he still played backup, because he put the team ahead of himself and didnt whine and pout like a bitch.

That's why people cheer for the guy.

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I just don't get this mindset of making him a hero for staying at LSU.

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Did he steal your girl or something?