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re: Shea Dixon: My in-depth review of every signing class of the Orgeron era continues.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:03 am to Silvermoon_WhereRU
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:03 am to Silvermoon_WhereRU
3 of those guys are in the NFL today, 2 of them performing at a very high level. Looks like a good chance at least 2-3 more will make it there, as well (Rosenthal, Clark, ...)
I think Orgeron's classes exhibit a boom-or-bust trait, similar to a big homerun hitter in baseball who also leads his team in strikeouts. He pulls in absolute stars, but also misses on a lot.
I think in the pre-portal days this worked better because the middling talent could not just transfer away so you had depth and you trusted your stars to be better than the other teams' stars, and it usually worked. With the portal, managing depth at key positions is just so much different. You're actually better off with a more even talent curve in your recruiting classes and then cherry picking transfers for a season. This is what Bama is doing, and to make it worse, their average talent is high 4 star level.
I think Orgeron's classes exhibit a boom-or-bust trait, similar to a big homerun hitter in baseball who also leads his team in strikeouts. He pulls in absolute stars, but also misses on a lot.
I think in the pre-portal days this worked better because the middling talent could not just transfer away so you had depth and you trusted your stars to be better than the other teams' stars, and it usually worked. With the portal, managing depth at key positions is just so much different. You're actually better off with a more even talent curve in your recruiting classes and then cherry picking transfers for a season. This is what Bama is doing, and to make it worse, their average talent is high 4 star level.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 9:05 am
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:13 am to mikeytig
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Wow- could we have done any worse on the offensive line?
Lewis, Hines, Dare, and Wire. 4 serviceable to excellent olinemen. It was the dline that didn't pan out
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:16 am to mmcgrath
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Lewis, Hines, Dare, and Wire. 4 serviceable to excellent olinemen. It was the dline that didn't pan out
Lewis wasn’t going to be here in 2020.
Hines peaked in 2019 but he fibbed as a DL.
Dare signed as a DL, and couldn’t follow the rules and jet the tesm down.
Wire is in and out the lineup.injuries? Other?
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 9:38 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:39 am to doubleb
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Lewis wasn’t going to be here in 2000.
Hines peaked in 2019 but he fibbed as a DL.
Dare signed as a DL, and couldn’t follow the rules and jet the tesm down.
Wire is in and out the lineup.injuries? Other?
Lewis went to the NFL to be a starter. That's a win in the recruitment effort.
Dare will play in the NFL. Also a win. Can't help if Woody can't fix compliance issues.
Wire is solid. Hines is serviceable. Both of those are wins in recruiting as well.
2019 or 2020 are where you might find issues in oline recruitment. For 2018 it was dline and safety. For dline, as the article points out, there weren't many alternatives. At safety we got left at the alter.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:46 am to Captain Crown
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The 8 DL signees have combined for 17 tackles
Ouch
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:49 am to SeanLSU
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I think in the pre-portal days this worked better because the middling talent could not just transfer away so you had depth and you trusted your stars to be better than the other teams' stars, and it usually worked. With the portal, managing depth at key positions is just so much different. You're actually better off with a more even talent curve in your recruiting classes and then cherry picking transfers for a season.
Whether pre-portal or not, the guys who left or quit didn’t go on to star at a high level elsewhere. They were busts. Davin Cotton didn’t play his senior year but he had a lot of sacks earlier in his career.
We reached on guys who were ranked as 4-stars but I don’t believe we really evaluated. Frank Wilson had a surgical approach to recruiting. Orgeron took a scorch the earth approach where we doubled our offers and accepted commitments waaaaay too early at times on guys that we later had to encourage to look elsewhere.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:52 am to mmcgrath
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Hines is serviceable.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:57 am to mmcgrath
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Lewis went to the NFL to be a starter. That's a win in the recruitment effort.
Certainly, but he wasn’t going to help this year.
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Dare will play in the NFL. Also a win. Can't help if Woody can't fix compliance issues.
If he can follow the rules. It’s not a win if you can’t follow the rules. The rules didn’t change they were always there. Wd won three NCs with the same rules. Quit making excuses for selfish
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Wire is solid. Hines is serviceable. Both of those are wins in recruiting as well.
If all the wins are “serviceable” then you will not have an above average OL. Throw in injuries of whatever causes Wire to miss and the “serviceable” guys don’t help much.
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2019 or 2020 are where you might find issues in oline recruitment. For 2018 it was dline and safety. For dline, as the article points out, there weren't many alternatives. At safety we got left at the alte
An 18 recruit would be in test three in 20 and year four now. Where are the centers and tackles we lack? Yes, one is at Ky. No one had developed at tackle or center. We loaded up with guards.
OL recruiting has been lacking. We sign guards hoping they can play tackle, We sign small, athletic types hoping they can play center. 18 was like that except for Dare who wanted to play DL.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 11:01 am to doubleb
on paper it appears we sign a decent amount of lineman to keep up with the big dogs.
But then everything just goes to complete shite with all kinds of washing out (transfers, discipline). Can't have that many misses on your lineman recruits and stay competitive.
Of course, we're a machine gun of studs at WR and DB, continuing our legacy from Miles days. Big help that is to winning consistently.
But then everything just goes to complete shite with all kinds of washing out (transfers, discipline). Can't have that many misses on your lineman recruits and stay competitive.
Of course, we're a machine gun of studs at WR and DB, continuing our legacy from Miles days. Big help that is to winning consistently.
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